Test results for RMR 224 69 & 75 gn bullets

[dstoenner]

I was intrigued by these bullets so I thought I would give them a try. The dollars for 500 made them very attractive. So I received my order and opened the plastic bags so put them in left over boxes. I had taken my AR-15 that had been my match rifle in shooting Cross the Course. I now have a scope on it from the match sights that used to be. 2 weeks ago was this rifles turn to go to the range and I took some Nosler 69 custom competitions loaded with 24.5 Varget with a COAL of 2.260. I got my rifle zero'd and then shot this target for a judgement of how well everything was coming together. A score of 60 was just about normal for this rifle. A perfect scope on this target is 30 and if you miss every bull you get a 90. So a score of 60 is exactly middle ground and shows that I had as many 1's as I had 3's.




I had received my RMR bullets so I thought I would test them. So I loaded the 69's with the exact same load that I had done with the NCC bullets. I also loaded 50 of the 75's with a load of 23.5 Varget at a COAL of 2.260. Here are the results. 69's first





Here are the 75's. I only had 19 for record because I had used some with my bolt gun




Then I still had some 69's left and wanted to process the cases so I shot groups. That even gives you a better picture. Not good for sure.



Bull #2 was only 5 shots. The first 3 were shot with .001 runout loads. The interesting thing is that I measured on the 30 bull target how far up and down the 3's were and it came up to 1.2 inches. right in line with the average of the groups. This AR usually averages about .65 when I feed it my 2.260 mag loads. So these bullets are WAY off.

The old adage about if it is too good to be true it probably is, really applies here. The clencher was when I went to clean the barrel and the amount of copper coming out was intense in blue color where the NCC were the normal light to medium blue for the first couple, not 7 or 8 with the RMR.

The other clencher was that my 223 bolt gun with a 1:7 twist throw these things all over the target. I started shooting the 75's and only shot 15 on the target with no 1"s and a couple of 2's and the rest 3's That gun does this target in the 50's and usually groups about .5 inches. I am also pretty sure that one of the bullets blew because it had that sound.

I hate to say it but I am not impressed and feel like didn't spend my money wisely. I am not one of those spray and pray guy's. I shoot competitions and I want to practice precision shootng. I want my ammo to be better than I am not worse. I don't learn anything.

These bullets have a place for people that just want to go bang. Precision is not one of them

David

 

[SecondsCount]

I spent a lot of time doing the same testing with the RMR 69 3GH last year. Three different rifles, lots of different powders and loads, yielded similar results. At 100 yards, one 5-shot group would be 1/2" but the next two groups were 1.5". I paid $14/100 for them and for feeding the AR used in 3 gun, and having fun on 2-3 MOA steel between 100- 600 yards, they do the job.

Recently I picked up some of their 75 blems to try. Two 5-shot groups at 100 yards were inside of an inch. I need to try a few more groups before I am a believer.

They are not a Nosler CC or a Sierra MK.

 

[vonb]

I tried them too and couldn't get them to work. They are a one purchase and done for me. They were tried in a 1/8 and 1/9 twist with both XBR8208 and LeverEvolution powder.

 

[DukeDuke]

I was intrigued by these bullets so I thought I would give them a try. The dollars for 500 made them very attractive. So I received my order and opened the plastic bags so put them in left over boxes. I had taken my AR-15 that had been my match rifle in shooting Cross the Course. I now have a scope on it from the match sights that used to be. 2 weeks ago was this rifles turn to go to the range and I took some Nosler 69 custom competitions loaded with 24.5 Varget with a COAL of 2.260. I got my rifle zero'd and then shot this target for a judgement of how well everything was coming together. A score of 60 was just about normal for this rifle. A perfect scope on this target is 30 and if you miss every bull you get a 90. So a score of 60 is exactly middle ground and shows that I had as many 1's as I had 3's.

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I had received my RMR bullets so I thought I would test them. So I loaded the 69's with the exact same load that I had done with the NCC bullets. I also loaded 50 of the 75's with a load of 23.5 Varget at a COAL of 2.260. Here are the results. 69's first



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Here are the 75's. I only had 19 for record because I had used some with my bolt gun


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Then I still had some 69's left and wanted to process the cases so I shot groups. That even gives you a better picture. Not good for sure.

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Bull #2 was only 5 shots. The first 3 were shot with .001 runout loads. The interesting thing is that I measured on the 30 bull target how far up and down the 3's were and it came up to 1.2 inches. right in line with the average of the groups. This AR usually averages about .65 when I feed it my 2.260 mag loads. So these bullets are WAY off.

The old adage about if it is too good to be true it probably is, really applies here. The clencher was when I went to clean the barrel and the amount of copper coming out was intense in blue color where the NCC were the normal light to medium blue for the first couple, not 7 or 8 with the RMR.

The other clencher was that my 223 bolt gun with a 1:7 twist throw these things all over the target. I started shooting the 75's and only shot 15 on the target with no 1"s and a couple of 2's and the rest 3's That gun does this target in the 50's and usually groups about .5 inches. I am also pretty sure that one of the bullets blew because it had that sound.

I hate to say it but I am not impressed and feel like didn't spend my money wisely. I am not one of those spray and pray guy's. I shoot competitions and I want to practice precision shootng. I want my ammo to be better than I am not worse. I don't learn anything.

These bullets have a place for people that just want to go bang. Precision is not one of them

David

It's interesting that your 1-7 twist does not like them. I had a very similar experience in my 1-7 twist.
They shot a lot better in the 1-8 twist.

 

[boltfluter]

I spent a lot of time doing the same testing with the RMR 69 3GH last year. Three different rifles, lots of different powders and loads, yielded similar results. At 100 yards, one 5-shot group would be 1/2" but the next two groups were 1.5". I paid $14/100 for them and for feeding the AR used in 3 gun, and having fun on 2-3 MOA steel between 100- 600 yards, they do the job.

Recently I picked up some of their 75 blems to try. Two 5-shot groups at 100 yards were inside of an inch. I need to try a few more groups before I am a believer.

They are not a Nosler CC or a Sierra MK.

I wonder if sorting these bullets would help? Just loading them on top of the same load for another bullet is not really a test at all. Then again, maybe they are just a spray and pray bullet! Lol
Paul

 

[SecondsCount]

I wonder if sorting these bullets would help? Just loading them on top of the same load for another bullet is not really a test at all. Then again, maybe they are just a spray and pray bullet! Lol
Paul

Was this a response to my post?

I tried four different powders, seating depths, neck tension...all the usual stuff. Sorting did seem to help and I may try that again.

 

[jelenko]

I went through around 10K of the 69's in an ar with match barrel, good scope but with sling and coat.

The very first group of 7 shots went into a hole that looked like a 30 cal hole. I was sold!
For awhile the groups were still good, but never that good. Then, I began struggling - was sure I was doing something. Struggled way too long.
Finally, stopped and did some serious testing both from prone with sling/coat and from a bench.

Did powder charge sweeps, seating depth sweeps, 3 different powders, different barrels.
It wasn't unusual to get a really nice group one time but it would never repeat.
I've come to the conclusion that some of the bullets shoot very consistently - but in a 10 shot group there are ALWAYS at least a couple 'flyers' - as far out as 1 1/2 MOA from the middle which produces a 3 MOA group.
All testing was done at 100 yards.
RMR was very good about taking back the unused ones.

What a relief it was when moving to Sierra 69's!

 

[SSchnd]

Have and still use a lot of different projectiles in XTC like Frank Above. Full course, reduced course etc.
Had been using the RMR 69's loaded like my 69 NCC. I seat them 2.240-2.245 based on the NCC bullet shape and usually push the SMK69 to same, SMKs 69-77 have always been super forgiving. I grabbed an early batch of the RMR 75 made on the 69 machines supposedly and have yet to shoot the first 50 I loaded as they are not worth damn on paper with the load I made up. may just pull them all
.
But friend using 69+75 RMR have been very happy with both. I guess I need to try some different things to see if the 500 count 75's will shoot. They are not a pretty product with ridges on them. My early batch may just be a dud pile. Meanwhile the NCC69 we used to get from Nosler Club buy just cost more than I will spend anymore. Its been green boxes for a long time. used to be a solid deal until the last club buy was ordered and paid for then a year later when the items stared trickling in they were upping the price and demanded we pay new pricing. But thats another story.

 

[Cfshooter]

Sounds about like everyone else’s results with those, very few get good results.

 

[tommeboy]

I treat them as a little better option than fmj bullets. So I don't expect top accuracy from them. The ones I have left over out of the 3K I bought have a little defect on them. Right where the boat tail starts there is a SHARP edge. And I think this is part of my accuracy problem with these. I feel that that edge is leaving a trailing edge that is throwing off the balance of the bullet.

I think it was Hornady talking about this with some of their bullets were doing and the accuracy they talked about is the same as we all are talking about. You could shoot a 10rd group and 7 are in less than half inch but the other 3 were 1.5 inches out in multiple directions. They said that the bullet had a burr at the boat tail from the rifling and once they solved that the accuracy came back.

 

[boltfluter]

Was this a response to my post?

I tried four different powders, seating depths, neck tension...all the usual stuff. Sorting did seem to help and I may try that again.

Sorry, no. I accidentally quoted the wrong post. My bad.
Paul

 

[SecondsCount]

I went through around 10K of the 69's in an ar with match barrel, good scope but with sling and coat.

The very first group of 7 shots went into a hole that looked like a 30 cal hole. I was sold!
For awhile the groups were still good, but never that good. Then, I began struggling - was sure I was doing something. Struggled way too long.
Finally, stopped and did some serious testing both from prone with sling/coat and from a bench.

Did powder charge sweeps, seating depth sweeps, 3 different powders, different barrels.
It wasn't unusual to get a really nice group one time but it would never repeat.
I've come to the conclusion that some of the bullets shoot very consistently - but in a 10 shot group there are ALWAYS at least a couple 'flyers' - as far out as 1 1/2 MOA from the middle which produces a 3 MOA group.
All testing was done at 100 yards.
RMR was very good about taking back the unused ones.

What a relief it was when moving to Sierra 69's!

Similar here! Three 5-shot groups



When the far right group happened, I thought I really had a good load. The next time out was more of the same.

 

[markm87]

We shoot a bunch of these, both 75s & 69s. Interesting to read the copper fouling difference compared to the Nozzies. Most of these, for us, are going through chrome lined AR-15s that rarely get cleaned for copper fouling, if ever.

I never put too much effort into making them sing. These things are accurate enough to sling them at steel out to as far as even 1000 yards. If we miss, we just send another one.

 

[Jon Turner]

I was doing a load work up for a 600 yd load for xtc matches comparing the RMR 75's to SMK 77's. The load is 23.5 H4895, c.o.a.l. 2.38" (single load, obviously).
The rifle is an off the shelf Windham, 20" govt A4 model with a 1:7 chrome lined A2 profile barrel, floated A2 handguard and Schmid 2-stage trigger. All testing was done at 100 yards in a zero wind indoor environment.
The RMR's are the left target, the SMK's the right target.
To my surprise, the overall group size was the same. The SMK's had a slightly smaller mean radius, but only because 2 rounds were touching. I'll let the pictures speak for themselves. I'm happy with the RMR results.
Jon

 

[jelenko]

With the right load in a match barrel, SMK 77's will group less than 1/2 MOA.