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swavorski spotting scope ?

I'm in the market for a spotting scope and I can't decide between the Kowa and the swavorski.
My question on the Swavorski is does anyone here own and use one? I'm seeking input on the ATS 80 HD with the 25-50 lens.

Another question is what's the difference optically between the 25-50 lens and the 20-60?


Here are both the scopes.

http://mobile.eurooptic.com/swarovski-ats-80-hd-w-20-60x-mpn-86614-swarovski.aspx


http://mobile.eurooptic.com/swarovski-ats-80-hd-w-25-50x-mpn-86615-swarovski.aspx
 
I'm using an ATS HD 80 with the 20-60 eyepiece now. Very nice scope. I'm using it for hunting out west for glassing mountainsides for animals. I'm not trying to count growth rings on sheep or anything so I wish I had the wider view of the 25-50 eyepiece. I've used a Swarovski ATX 85 and a Kowa TSN 883 and would choose the ATX over the Kowa 883 with the 25-60w but barely. Features more than glass. The ATS 80 HD is a step down from those two. I have owned a Meopta S2 82mm HD and it is the equal to the ATS HD 80 optically and the 25-60w eyepiece is a better view imo. Weight was the deciding factor between the Meopta S2 and the ATS 80 HD as I backpack hunt. If I wasn't packing it on my back and eight ounces weren't a big deal I'd have the Meopta S2. I may still sell my ATS 80 HD and buy the Meopta S2 still as I think the wide angle is that much better and the cost savings is several hundred dollars. I'm betting you could call and talk to some dealers and bargain the price of the Meopta to under two grand.
 
Daveinjax said:
I'm using an ATS HD 80 with the 20-60 eyepiece now. Very nice scope. I'm using it for hunting out west for glassing mountainsides for animals. I'm not trying to count growth rings on sheep or anything so I wish I had the wider view of the 25-50 eyepiece. I've used a Swarovski ATX 85 and a Kowa TSN 883 and would choose the ATX over the Kowa 883 with the 25-60w but barely. Features more than glass. The ATS 80 HD is a step down from those two. I have owned a Meopta S2 82mm HD and it is the equal to the ATS HD 80 optically and the 25-60w eyepiece is a better view imo. Weight was the deciding factor between the Meopta S2 and the ATS 80 HD as I backpack hunt. If I wasn't packing it on my back and eight ounces weren't a big deal I'd have the Meopta S2. I may still sell my ATS 80 HD and buy the Meopta S2 still as I think the wide angle is that much better and the cost savings is several hundred dollars. I'm betting you could call and talk to some dealers and bargain the price of the Meopta to under two grand.


Thanks for your input, I didn't realize the ATS was a step down from the Kowa 883 if that's the case I'm better off with the Kowa, I can't justify 4k for a spotting scope so realistically the ATX is out of my desired price range.
So now next question between the Kowa 883 and the Meopta S2 which of these has the better optics? I can get the Kowa shipped with the 25-60 eyepiece and the fitted case for 2100.00 so that's in same ball park as the Meopta price wise.
 
I have looked thru all of the better scopes and my hands down favorite are the Swarovski. Do a search of the big NY camera stores. Best if you look thru these things (scopes) before buying. Cabela's now sells them as well.

I like the 25-50 eye piece.
 
Steve3 said:
I have looked thru all of the better scopes and my hands down favorite are the Swarovski. Do a search of the big NY camera stores. Best if you look thru these things (scopes) before buying. Cabela's now sells them as well.

I like the 25-50 eye piece.


Steve,

Which model did you look thru and if you looked thru both the ATS and ATX what were the differences between them optically? Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of a high end store here carrying any of these scopes, so I'm dependent on feeback from actual owners.
 
There is a really good review over on Rokslide.com. It has all of the scopes you are looking at. He uses a resolution chart to compare performance so it's not all subjective. You can also search the bird forums for information as the birding folks are much more demanding the we hunters and shooters.
 
I was able to look thru both the ATS and ATX. I really could not discern any difference. I live in southern most NJ and there was a high end birding store in the general area. I visited the store numerous times a few years back when they were still open to the public. At first I really liked the Nikon, especially for the price. But in time I could see the Swarovski was just a cut above anything else. I also learned that the bent eyepiece is easier to use, at least for me.

If you have a Cabela's within a reasonable drive I would suggest you call and see if they have one you can look thru. Or a birding store.

I am sure Daveinjax is giving you good advice.

I have not yet bought one. Much like you I have a hard time forking over the $$.
 
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. Check this file out. Rates optics on performance.. 100 is the highest score. Swarovski rates 98 of 100. I have an sts 20x60x80mm hd. Optically nothing compares. Price,weight is another story. Meopta and leica come next.
 

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. Check this file out. Rates optics on performance.. 100 is the highest score. Swarovski rates 98 of 100. I have an sts 20x60x80mm hd. Optically nothing compares. Price,weight is another story. Meopta and leica come next.
The trouble with your chart is it doesn't show models or powers. Some Companies have lower end cheaper models.That really changes things. I would compare on birding sites for more then one opinion. The one on Better View then Desired used to be good honest opinions. Dave has good points. A difference between hunting and looking things. Matt
 
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. Check this file out. Rates optics on performance.. 100 is the highest score. Swarovski rates 98 of 100. I have an sts 20x60x80mm hd. Optically nothing compares. Price,weight is another story. Meopta and leica come next.
This chart is a review of the new Swarovski ATX, not the original HD glass ATS or STS model. Even though the Meopta S2 came in 2nd to the new Swaro ATX, the Swaro is using a 95mm objective which is a massive advantage over the Meopta 82mm objective. I guarantee if you put the Meopta on 60X and the Swarovski on 60X using the 85mm objective option, many people would side with the Meopta.

Now the 25-50X eyepiece for the Swarovski is a "wide angle" view, but the Meopta uses a 30-60X wide angle eyepiece option. While the Meopta also offers a 20-70X eyepiece, Swarovski changed their game with the new ATX and now offer a 30-70X eyepiece. So both are capable of very high ultra high definition magnification.

So now let's compare price. The Swaro ATX and Meopta S2 are both without a doubt or argument, some of the best glass available, period. But price is where Meopta greatly outperforms Swarovski. The Meopta S2 will give you one of the best pictures you've ever seen through a spotting scope for around $2300 with an eyepiece of your choice (either 20-70X or 30-60X wide angle). Can you tell me what the 95mm Swaro ATX will cost you with an eyepiece? Can you say roughly $4500? That's right, about $2200 more. Even with the 85mm objective, the Swaro will still run you over $4000 with the high magnification eyepiece. Is the extra price worth it? I think it may be to some people who want top notch low light performance with the Swaro 95mm objective and the modular capabilities to change objective sizes for about $1000 to $2100 a pop, depending on desired objective size.

Notice that the Meopta beat the ATX on color fringing and matched it on long range resolution, brightness, pleasing image, and useable magnification. All with perfect scores of 10.

I think Swarovski really hit a home run with the modular ATX, but there's no doubt you're gonna pay for it if you want utilize that feature and have various eyepieces and objective sizes. The Swarovski ATX 30-70 eyepiece alone is roughly $2400. So it all boils down to money. The Swaro ATX, will without a doubt give you a breathtaking HD view, but so will the Meopta S2, but the Meopta will easily save you a cool $2K. The cost vs. advantage ratio is a personal decision for each buyer. But I guarantee the Meopta will blow you away, so don't let the lower price tag fool you.

And none of this is very surprising when you know that Meopta has been making high end optics longer than Swarovski and the fact that the country of Czech Republic, where Meopta is manufactured, borders both Germany and Austria. Germany which is well known for excellent optics and Austria which is of course where Swarovski is made.
 
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I'm in the market for a spotting scope and I can't decide between the Kowa and the swavorski.
My question on the Swavorski is does anyone here own and use one? I'm seeking input on the ATS 80 HD with the 25-50 lens.

Another question is what's the difference optically between the 25-50 lens and the 20-60?


Here are both the scopes.

http://mobile.eurooptic.com/swarovski-ats-80-hd-w-20-60x-mpn-86614-swarovski.aspx


http://mobile.eurooptic.com/swarovski-ats-80-hd-w-25-50x-mpn-86615-swarovski.aspx
The 25-50 Swarovski eyepiece has a wide angle view, the 20-60 does not. The Meopta S2 HD will match or best the Swarovski ATS in optical quality and slightly outperform the Kowa Prominar in my opinion.

I agree with opinions on the ATX, it is a whole different animal than the ATS. Much nicer when using the 95mm objective and having the option of 30-70 eyepiece. But the price tag is considerably higher.

Having looked through all of them. If it boiled down to Swarovski ATS 20-60x or 25-50x wide angle, Kowa Promimar 20-60X, or Meopta S2 HD with either the 30-60 wide angle or 20-70x high power eye piece, I would choose the Meopta in either eyepiece format. It really is top shelf glass that is sure to amaze.

If price and sheer size of the optic was not a concern, I would probably opt for the new Swarovski ATX with the 95mm objective and 30-70x eyepiece. The low light performance of that optic would be unmatched with the huge 95mm front end
 
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Price tends to affect ones perceptions. Me included. Difficult to eliminate. I am a long time swaro owner and user. Own no meopta but see so many good reviews sure wouldn't hesitate. Good luck with your decision. Many good opinions here and good choice of spotters.
 
Bart from barts bullets has a swarovski spotter for sale. Give him a call im sure itll be a price you cant resist if you seriously want one
 

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