Some 9mm data weirdness?

[brokeasajoke]

So two of the pistol powders I always have on hand is titegroup and 231 (and I'm thinking about broadening that). Been looking for something on a Nosler 115hp with either of these two powders and can find nothing. Are these two powders just not that suitable for the nine? An older nosler book I have lists HP-38 which I understand is close or not equal to 231 but now that data is missing from the Nosler website. Found some data on Gold dot HP but the coal is ridiculously long for these noslers.

Website data,



Nosler 5th edition book,

 

[fkimble@charter.net]

Every loading manual does not test every 9mm 115 grain bullet made. They also do not test every powder suitable for the caliber/bullet combo. If the bullet is a typical 115 grain bullet, I don't get hung up a a specific brand when looking for data. I also don't load 9mm max power loads. For normal practice/target loads just go with whatever brand is in the manual. And OAL has a few limits, ie: max length that will go it mag, max length that will chamber the exact bullet you are using. Figure these two out and reduce OAL a few thou. If feeding does not work correctly, change length a little each way to find what works in your gun.

Take a look over on Brian's forum. More 9mm data than you will ever need. And between your 2 powders you should be able to load most any normal 9mm bullet.

Frank

 

[acloco]

HS6 works rather well for 9/38/357/40/45acp. Accurate. Clean. Works across a broad range of bullet weights.

 

[jsn]

Hodgdon online has data for Speer's Gold Dot HP, and Lee's latest manual has the exact same data for the Hornady XTP.

I would have no problem using the starting loads to begin with and work up.

 

[dellet]

231/HP38 are the same powder, lot to lot variations when both are listed in data is expected. A few years ago Hodgdon started publishing the exact same data for both powders. Generally you can find one powder or the other listed in data.

Looking through a few manuals, Speer, Hornady, Hodgdon, Nosler all have loads listed, HP38 even has one on the bottle. For the most part loads between 4-5 grains, with cast bullets and Barnes solids being about 3/4 grain less.

I generally end up around 4.5 with various 115 grain bullets.

 

[Pawnee Bill]

A 115 grain bullet is a 115 grain bullet, the manufacturer really doesn't matter for reloading pistol.

 

[Jester560]

CFE Pistol works for me in both minor and major power factors.

 

[RegionRat]

You should always do a work-up based on the best data you can find for the bullet type you plan to use.
Jacketed versus plated versus cast, will show a pattern with a given powder. You then proceed with caution and it is best to have a chronograph along for the day. Your bullet will tend to track the Gold Dot data on the second load section below, but note how much difference there is with a lead round nose above. YMMV

 

[Rsadams]

I have used win 231 as long as I have been reloading 9mm works fine but don't try and make a super fast load with it... I push a 124gr berry's at about 1000 fps works great...

 

[std7mag]

I try to use bullet maker data when applicable. But will use powder manufacturer data also.

I don't use Nosler's data, even though i use their bullets & have 2 of their manuals.

Sierra shows 3.7 - 4.5gr of Titegroup with their 115gr JHP bullet at COAL of 1.050".

Same bullet & COAL with 231 as 3.8 - 5.3gr.

Hope that helped!

 

[6BRA]

Powerpistol...
sidenote...A Hornady HAP 115 shows a much longer seating depth than a 115 Sierra Sportsmaster.

 

[Rsadams]

I also try and use the manual for the bullet I am using.... You will at times see crazy difference's in one manual compared to another for the same bullet and powder charge.... I suggest having as many manuals as you can and comparing data from all of them.... ALWAYS start low and work up....

One time I had a .308 be as fast as factory with just a little over the middle in a manual.... Glad I didn't start any higher... Normally I start in the middle and work up , normally middle is no where near fast enough... But for safety just do it or go lower even... Then always remember a load worked up in the winter will be HOT during the summer so re-work it... I normally find a load with a bullet and powder and stick with it... Don't forget to take notes so you can go back and review...

Do not use this data because you never want to take data from the internet or strangers... But this has been my 9mm load for the last 12 years...

4.2-4.3 grains of win231 and a 124 grain round nose berry bullet seated at 1.150...

Not exactly a fast load but 231 isn't meant to be a super fast load... If that's what you want use something like power pistol but keep in mind for practice the paper doesn't know the speed difference and it's easier on everything... Just remember your the safety officer , if something doesn't seem right , STOP....

 

[CJ6]

231 or VV 3N-37 are the only powders I load in 9mm or 45 ACP.

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

I use 5.1 grains of, Win. 231 with, Hornady 124 grain XTP's ( COAL of, 1.060" ) at, 1150 FPS out of, My 5" barrel Glock 34 and it Prints into sub 2" 5 shot, groups ( Rested ) at 25 Yards. ( New Glock, M- 34, 5" Marksman Barrel )
Midway has, 124 grain SECONDS ( they look like, XTP's ) and FREE Shipping, TODAY @ $14.99 Per 100 Bulk !
Probably stained a bit ( No big Deal for, Practice / Plinking ! ) Some Hornady Books have, WW 231 Loads listed.

 

[brokeasajoke]

I use 5.1 grains of, Win. 231 with, Hornady 124 grain XTP's at, 1150 FPS out of, a 5" barrel Glock 34 and it Prints into sub 2" 5 shot, groups ( Rested ) at 25 Yards.
Midway has, 124 grain SECONDS ( they look like, XTP's ) and FREE Shipping, TODAY @ $14.99 Per 100 Bulk !
Probably stained a bit ( No big Deal for, Practice / Plinking ! )

Got 540 Nosler ASP pulls for $39 to my door.

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

My load of, 5.1 Grains IS, a near Maximum Load that, I found in, an OLDER 3rd Edition, Hornady Book and shows, 5.2 grs of WW231 going 1,100 FPS from, a 4" Barrel W/ 124's, Shoot's, Crazy GOOD and Hit's,.. "Hard" !
It will be my Back Country "Hunting Load" for this, Pistol ( has, a Holosun Green, Pyramid Chevron, Sight ).
WW-231 Meters like Water,.. Unlike,.. Unique and other,.. "Flake Powders".
I SAVE all my Older Reloading Books as,.. they can come in, "Handy"

 

[Ray123]

9 mm is an old cartridge with alot of sloppy chambers and some tight...so I always start at a medium charge weight after viewing several manuals to find an average...then add powder so that the auto loader runs 100%...
There are standard, plus P, and plus P plus, 9mm ammo. So all these 9mms run at different max average pressures. I run AR 15s at plus p plus, 1720 fps from 115 gr bullets , 1600 + fps for 124 gr...these are too hot for pistols ...But run same plus P 50 gr HP copper at 2495 fps in AR ...and 1966 fps in short Glock 26 barrel As an another example.

 

[Brians356]

A 115 grain bullet is a 115 grain bullet,

That's true as long as they're of similar construction, e.g. both jacketed lead core.
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[6BRA]

Good 9mms..metal...not polymer can handle hotter loads like found in the early 70s Sierra manuals. A goldmine of old powder recipes. 115s at 1400 plus.

 

[Brians356]

Good 9mms..metal...not polymer can handle hotter loads like found in the early 70s Sierra manuals. A goldmine of old powder recipes. 115s at 1400 plus.

But extra velocity is likely detrimental in defense loads, since most 9mm bullets today are designed to a constrained velocity window, to minimize pass-through. The available 115-gr factory defense loads all max out at less than 1200 fps, some at less than 1100, and nearly all meet the FBI penetration standard of 12 to 18 inches at those velocities, while expanding impressively. The excellent Speer 115 Gold Dot load runs at 1143 (avg) in published tests.
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