Sleeved XP100s

[RCE1]

I have some sleeved XP100s made up as benchrest rifles, all with Burns bolts and triggers in Lee Six stocks. One actually set a worlds record (back in the day) which stood for many years. Basically a one hole group of caliber size at 200. I would like to rehome them but the serial numbers are covered by the sleeves. Is it possible to legally sell through FFL transfer without destroying the high quality finish of the sleeved actions? I've not tried to disassemble them and remove the sleeves. After benchrest tech had moved forward, these rifles were used for hunting ground squirrels in Northern California, Nevada and Southeast Oregon.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I have some sleeved XP100s made up as benchrest rifles, all with Burns bolts and triggers in Lee Six stocks. One actually set a worlds record (back in the day) which stood for many years. Basically a one hole group of caliber size at 200. I would like to rehome them but the serial numbers are covered by the sleeves. Is it possible to legally sell through FFL transfer without destroying the high quality finish of the sleeved actions? I've not tried to disassemble them and remove the sleeves. After benchrest tech had moved forward, these rifles were used for hunting ground squirrels in Northern California, Nevada and Southeast Oregon.

Did they not scratch the serial number on the bottom of the sleeve? Id just take em to a match and sell em in person if it were me

 

[boltfluter]

I would say you have a problem. Don't know why someone would sleeve an action and cover the serial number. Do you have the serial numbers written down somewhere? Doubtful, but you may be able to engrave the sleeve and be legal. Probably not, but I would personally call the ATF with this question.

 

[hpshooter]

I would say you have a problem. Don't know why someone would sleeve an action and cover the serial number. Do you have the serial numbers written down somewhere? Doubtful, but you may be able to engrave the sleeve and be legal. Probably not, but I would personally call the ATF with this question.

I have passed on purchasing a couple sleeved 700 actions over the past few years for this very reason. A question for more knowledgeable folks than I am, are the 700 serial numbers located consistently enough that you could mill a window in the sleeve to make them visible?

 

[Seagull]

Have a sleeved rem 700la can check tomorrow were the number are roughly as mine are exposed . There on the left hand hand side of the action from memory.

 

[boltfluter]

I have passed on purchasing a couple sleeved 700 actions over the past few years for this very reason. A question for more knowledgeable folks than I am, are the 700 serial numbers located consistently enough that you could mill a window in the sleeve to make them visible?

Possibly, but removing the sleeve and leaving the serial number may be awkward, to say the least!

 

[STS]

They are probably glued in which would complicate things. If not glued in, it wouldn't be too difficult to do some measuring and mill a slot in the sleeve over the serial number which is the way it should have been done in the first place. It's not impossible to do.

 

[RCE1]

The sleeved XPs I have are glued. When they were done, the serial numbers weren't really an issue, I suppose. At least not to the man who built them. He was like that. A lot of the barrels on his personal rifles weren't marked, either, and he was the kind of guy who loved neck-turning, so almost all the chambers he put in were tight necked. I mean, he actually neck-turned 1000 pieces .17 Ackley Hornet for his Farley Firefly.

 

[STS]

I figured they were glued in. The serial number is far enough above the top line of the stick that milling a slot is still possible. More of a PITA but still doable.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Milling a slot in there will destroy the aesthetics and most guys gouged up the action real good before gluing them in so itll look awful. If you dont just sell them as is id remove them from the sleeve, properly mark the sleeve, then reglue and sell.

 

[Tucker65]

Just thinking outside the box here. With the new ATF regulations regarding unmarked guns. If an ffl takes into possession a firearm that is unmarked he is supposed to not return it to the owner until it is marked with a serial number. This might be way into any gray area of the regulations, but couldn't he just mark it with his own serial number like it was a personally made firearm.

 

[RCE1]

Since you guys have been so helpful, this is what one of them looks like. The barrel is marked .17BR .192 (which I assume is the neck dimension)

 

[rickiesrevenge]

Seriously doubt that marking the sleeve would meet the legal requirements for the serial numbers since its not the actual action. But I could be wrong. Can a person sell a gun legally where you live without doing to a dealer? If not the first thing I'd do is go home and pack all your stuff into a moving truck and move somewhere free. Then sell them to someone who wants them. Or go shoot prairie dogs with em.

 

[RCE1]

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Seriously doubt that marking the sleeve would meet the legal requirements for the serial numbers since its not the actual action. But I could be wrong. Can a person sell a gun legally where you live without doing to a dealer? If not the first thing I'd do is go home and pack all your stuff into a moving truck and move somewhere free. Then sell them to someone who wants them. Or go shoot prairie dogs with em.

No such luck. All the moving trucks are already headed East and South...

 

[geo.ulrich]

when this became an issue years ago they started cutting a slot for the serial #'s to show for the older ones without a slot it was allowed that we could use an electric engraver and scratch them on the tang of the original action....Precision Shooting had some articles about this and the back and forth with the atf about this.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Every one ive ever had was marked underneath. Br shooters dont care much about having the serial number on there. Thats a very nice looking gun there. Id sure hate to mess that up by milling an ugly slot in it. Id like to have it myself

 

[geo.ulrich]

the slot was milled before installing the sleeve, just align when gluing together

 

[STS]

Milling a slot in there will destroy the aesthetics and most guys gouged up the action real good before gluing them in so itll look awful. If you dont just sell them as is id remove them from the sleeve, properly mark the sleeve, then reglue and sell.

The Davidson sleeves were milled with a .125 slot that was right over the serial number and didn't mangle the sleeve at all. A nice piece of machining wouldn't look any different that the ones Alvin made.

 

[X Count]

Obtain a junk rem, put a drop saw through it and have the serial number engraved on the sleeve. Just like swapping plates

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Just thinking outside the box here. With the new ATF regulations regarding unmarked guns. If an ffl takes into possession a firearm that is unmarked he is supposed to not return it to the owner until it is marked with a serial number. This might be way into any gray area of the regulations, but couldn't he just mark it with his own serial number like it was a personally made firearm.

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