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Sierra Match King 125 Grain Sierra product number 2121

These 125 SMK bullets are popular in CMP games where we run old military bolt guns like the Springfield, Garand, and M1917. All three of these being 30-06 not 308.

I have switched to the 125 TMK cause that was what I could find last year, but these 125 gr 30 cal bullets are popular for The Wooden Guns used in the CMP Games.

Before that I used the 125 SMK or Speer TNT when I could find them.

These antiques are shot at 200 yards on the SR target and include rapids and offhand, so there is some advantage in down loading. 4895 loads are common cause the powder is forgiving in low pressure loads.

The Speer 125 TNT bullets were popular as well.
 
These 125 SMK bullets are popular in CMP games where we run old military bolt guns like the Springfield, Garand, and M1917. All three of these being 30-06 not 308.

I have switched to the 125 TMK cause that was what I could find last year, but these 125 gr 30 cal bullets are popular for The Wooden Guns used in the CMP Games.

Before that I used the 125 SMK or Speer TNT when I could find them.

These antiques are shot at 200 yards on the SR target and include rapids and offhand, so there is some advantage in down loading. 4895 loads are common cause the powder is forgiving in low pressure loads.

The Speer 125 TNT bullets were popular as well.
I'd like to run them up around 2900 to 3000 fps if possible. Wondering if they will hold together in a 1 in 12 twist or 1 in 11 twist? Running them through a calculator they perform very well at those velocities but wondering if the jacket will hold up.
 
I'd like to run them up around 2900 to 3000 fps if possible. Wondering if they will hold together in a 1 in 12 twist or 1 in 11 twist? Running them through a calculator they perform very well at those velocities but wondering if the jacket will hold up.

I load them in a 30BR with a recycled 10-twist barrel. MVs are lower than for a 308, but that twist rate will spin them pretty fast, in fact 2,500 fps in 10-twist is identical to 3,000 in a 12 both being 180,000 rpm. I wouldn't expect any problems using these at your desired MVs.
 
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These bullets will take a lot of velocity. I have shot them in 1x10 twist 300 Win Mag at high pressures and velocities with no issues.
Thank you for the perspective. I think they have a lot to offer with a BC like that to include a lot less recoil so you can see placement in a lighter rig. Thanks again.
 
I load them in a 30BR with a recycled 10-twist barrel. MVs are lower than for a 308, but that twist rate will spin them pretty fast, in fact 2,500 fps in 10-twist is identical to 3,000 in a 12 both being 180,000 rpm. I wouldn't expect any problems using these at your desired MVs.
Thank you. 12 and 11 twists are what I'd like to use them in. These have an incredible BC for the weight/caliber ratio, so I'm hoping I can get some performance from them. Thanks again.
 
In general, .30 cal bullets don't seem to have nearly the issue with jacket failures that their smaller diameter .224" cousins experience. That doesn't mean it can't happen, but the rifling twist rates we use with .30 cal bullets are typically nowhere near as fast as in .224" caliber rifles, and the commonly-used .300" diameter .30 cal bore is slightly less tight relative to bullet diameter than is the 0.218" bore often found in .224" barrels. Because both rifling twist rate and friction in the bore are contributing factors to jacket failures, these differences are likely part of the reason why jacket failures seem to be less common with the .30 cal setups.

I'm not exactly clear on what you mean stating that these 125 SMKs have an excellent BC for their weight. Sierra lists the banded G1 BCs for this bullet at .349 @ 2650 fps and above .338 between 2000 and 2650 fps .330 between 1600 and 2000 .310 @ 1600 fps and below. The average G7 BC for the 125 SMK is ~0.179, which is almost 8% lower than a 77 gr SMK 0.224" bullet. I wouldn't really call that an "excellent BC", regardless of its weight.

In this context, it's important to note that it is only rarely possible to ever push a lighter, lower BC bullet fast enough to overcome the BC deficit as compared to a heavier, higher BC bullet. The heavier, higher BC bullet will almost always enjoy lesser wind deflection at realistic load velocities, because you can't normally attain sufficient velocity with the lighter bullet without experiencing over-pressure issues. The one exception to this generalization I have some experience with is the Berger 168 Hybrid bullet, which truly has an exceptionally high BC for its weight class. In that case, it is possible to push the 168 Hybrid fast enough with the right rifle setup to equal or even slightly surpass the wind deflection of the next higher weight class of bullets, i.e. the 185 Juggernaut. The 168 Hybrid is the only bullet I have ever personally loaded that is able to do that.

The conclusion of all this is that if you wish to use the lighter 125 SMK bullet solely to lessen recoil, it should work admirably. However, if the idea is push the 125 SMKs fast enough that they offer wind resistance comparable to bullets in the 155 gr or 168 gr range, I think you will be disappointed. A bullet such as the #2156 155 gr Matchking with a muzzle velocity of only 2650 fps would give very close to half a minute less windage at 400 yd. In addition to the obvious BC deficit as compared to the 155/168 weight class of .30 cal bullets, which are largely boat tail designs, the much lighter 125s have a flat base bullets also shed velocity faster, which also lessens their performance at distances over 300-400 yd. The point I'm trying to get here at is that within distances of only 300 yd or so, the BC of the bullet really shouldn't be the main selling point, anyhow. The bottom line is that if you're wanting to shoot past 300-400 yd, the 155 gr or 168 gr weight class of bullets will do a much better job than the 125s. If recoil mitigation is the primary goal and you only intend to shoot relatively short distances, the 125s should work well for that purpose.
 
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In general, .30 cal bullets don't seem to have nearly the issue with jacket failures that their smaller diameter .224" cousins experience. That doesn't mean it can't happen, but the rifling twist rates we use with .30 cal bullets are typically nowhere near as fast as in .224" caliber rifles, and the commonly-used .300" diameter .30 cal bore is slightly less tight relative to bullet diameter than is the 0.218" bore often found in .224" barrels. Because both rifling twist rate and friction in the bore are contributing factors to jacket failures, these differences are likely part of the reason why jacket failures seem to be less common with the .30 cal setups.

I'm not exactly clear on what you mean stating that these 125 SMKs have an excellent BC for their weight. Sierra lists the banded G1 BCs for this bullet at .349 @ 2650 fps and above .338 between 2000 and 2650 fps .330 between 1600 and 2000 .310 @ 1600 fps and below. The average G7 BC for the 125 SMK is ~0.179, which is almost 8% lower than a 77 gr SMK 0.224" bullet. I wouldn't really call that an "excellent BC", regardless of its weight.

In this context, it's important to note that it is only rarely possible to ever push a lighter, lower BC bullet fast enough to overcome the BC deficit as compared to a heavier, higher BC bullet. The heavier, higher BC bullet will almost always enjoy lesser wind deflection at realistic load velocities, because you can't normally attain sufficient velocity with the lighter bullet without experiencing over-pressure issues. The one exception to this generalization I have some experience with is the Berger 168 Hybrid bullet, which truly has an exceptionally high BC for its weight class. In that case, it is possible to push the 168 Hybrid fast enough with the right rifle setup to equal or even slightly surpass the wind deflection of the next higher weight class of bullets, i.e. the 185 Juggernaut. The 168 Hybrid is the only bullet I have ever personally loaded that is able to do that.

The conclusion of all this is that if you wish to use the lighter 125 SMK bullet solely to lessen recoil, it should work admirably. However, if the idea is push the 125 SMKs fast enough that they offer wind resistance comparable to bullets in the 155 gr or 168 gr range, I think you will be disappointed. A bullet such as the #2156 155 gr Matchking with a muzzle velocity of only 2650 fps would give very close to half a minute less windage at 400 yd. In addition to the obvious BC deficit as compared to the 155/168 weight class of .30 cal bullets, which are largely boat tail designs, the much lighter 125s have a flat base bullets also shed velocity faster, which also lessens their performance at distances over 300-400 yd. The point I'm trying to get here at is that within distances of only 300 yd or so, the BC of the bullet really shouldn't be the main selling point, anyhow. The bottom line is that if you're wanting to shoot past 300-400 yd, the 155 gr or 168 gr weight class of bullets will do a much better job than the 125s. If recoil mitigation is the primary goal and you only intend to shoot relatively short distances, the 125s should work well for that purpose.
Thank you for the elaborate evaluation. I appreciate that very much. My goal is of course to achieve some wind bucking speed while simultaneously reducing recoil.

I use the Berger hybrids myself and the SMK 155's as well as 155 Scenar's. These are all excellent choices.

Thanks again.
 
In general, .30 cal bullets don't seem to have nearly the issue with jacket failures that their smaller diameter .224" cousins experience. That doesn't mean it can't happen, but the rifling twist rates we use with .30 cal bullets are typically nowhere near as fast as in .224" caliber rifles, and the commonly-used .300" diameter .30 cal bore is slightly less tight relative to bullet diameter than is the 0.218" bore often found in .224" barrels. Because both rifling twist rate and friction in the bore are contributing factors to jacket failures, these differences are likely part of the reason why jacket failures seem to be less common with the .30 cal setups.

I'm not exactly clear on what you mean stating that these 125 SMKs have an excellent BC for their weight. Sierra lists the banded G1 BCs for this bullet at .349 @ 2650 fps and above .338 between 2000 and 2650 fps .330 between 1600 and 2000 .310 @ 1600 fps and below. The average G7 BC for the 125 SMK is ~0.179, which is almost 8% lower than a 77 gr SMK 0.224" bullet. I wouldn't really call that an "excellent BC", regardless of its weight.

In this context, it's important to note that it is only rarely possible to ever push a lighter, lower BC bullet fast enough to overcome the BC deficit as compared to a heavier, higher BC bullet. The heavier, higher BC bullet will almost always enjoy lesser wind deflection at realistic load velocities, because you can't normally attain sufficient velocity with the lighter bullet without experiencing over-pressure issues. The one exception to this generalization I have some experience with is the Berger 168 Hybrid bullet, which truly has an exceptionally high BC for its weight class. In that case, it is possible to push the 168 Hybrid fast enough with the right rifle setup to equal or even slightly surpass the wind deflection of the next higher weight class of bullets, i.e. the 185 Juggernaut. The 168 Hybrid is the only bullet I have ever personally loaded that is able to do that.

The conclusion of all this is that if you wish to use the lighter 125 SMK bullet solely to lessen recoil, it should work admirably. However, if the idea is push the 125 SMKs fast enough that they offer wind resistance comparable to bullets in the 155 gr or 168 gr range, I think you will be disappointed. A bullet such as the #2156 155 gr Matchking with a muzzle velocity of only 2650 fps would give very close to half a minute less windage at 400 yd. In addition to the obvious BC deficit as compared to the 155/168 weight class of .30 cal bullets, which are largely boat tail designs, the much lighter 125s have a flat base bullets also shed velocity faster, which also lessens their performance at distances over 300-400 yd. The point I'm trying to get here at is that within distances of only 300 yd or so, the BC of the bullet really shouldn't be the main selling point, anyhow. The bottom line is that if you're wanting to shoot past 300-400 yd, the 155 gr or 168 gr weight class of bullets will do a much better job than the 125s. If recoil mitigation is the primary goal and you only intend to shoot relatively short distances, the 125s should work well for that purpose.
This is kind of interesting: https://shooterscalculator.com/recoil-calculator.php
 
I bought a box but never could get them to shoot as well as 125 BTs
What is the product number or manufacturer? I didn't know they made 125 gr boat tails in 308. Thanks.
 
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The 2121 was designed for the 300 Blackout. 250,000 rpm is not a problem at shorter distances. 300,000 has held together at 300 yards.

Keep in mind with that cartridge it’s a high spin rate, lower velocity. I go those numbers shooting at 2500 fps in a 1/6, 24” barrel.

2250 fps in a 1/7 is a very common load.
 
Not boat tails Nosler Ballistic Tips
That's what I figured after doing a search. Out of stock almost everywhere except two places that have really bad BBB reviews for taking orders and then charging credit card and then sending msg item is on back order.
 
I emailed Sierra about these 125 SMK hpfb projectiles and just heard back from them that max velocity is around 3600 fps in a 1 in 10 twist so for speed they meet my expectations, boat tail would be nice.
 
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I don't know what speed I shot them at but both the Nosler BTs and the Sierras were shot with a stiff load out of a 30-06 and both seemed to do well and made round holes.
 
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I tried shooting this bullet in my first 30BR which was a 1:16 twist. I figured the 125 might help me at 200 yrd matches. I struggled to get them to match the 112-118 FB bullets in terms of accuracy. I found that if I sort them by bearing length in lots of +-0.003" I significantly improved my groups. Once I got some custom 118s from Robinett and Cheeks I never look at those again. I helped a friend work up some varmint loads with 125 Bergers in his 30-06. Got some pretty impressive groups for a factory barrel. Never ran on chronograph. Don't ignore the 125 TNTs for an econo bullet. I shot some great scores with those.

Luck, Tim
 
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I tried shooting this bullet in my first 30BR which was a 1:16 twist. I figured the 125 might help me at 200 yrd matches. I struggled to get them to match the 112-118 FB bullets in terms of accuracy. I found that if I sort them by bearing length in lots of +-0.003" I significantly improved my groups. Once I got some custom 118s from Robinett and Cheeks I never look at those again. I helped a friend work up some varmint loads with 125 Bergers in his 30-06. Got some pretty impressive groups for a factory barrel. Never ran on chronograph. Don't ignore the 125 TNTs for an econo bullet. I shot some great scores with those.

Luck, Tim
Yes the 125 tnt will group very well,can

win a 100 yard club match in a 30x47.
 

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