Shooting F-TR with a repeater action

[Axkiker]

Anyone out there shoot F-TR with a repeater type action and are successful? I have a stock I really like however it is setup for a 700 style repeater. I could fill the bottom however I hate to do that as then its limited if I were to sell it.

Is it even worthwhile going with a 700 style that's a single shot?? When you look through the equipment lists at the national events you don't see any repeater actions listed at the top. You don't even see many I can recall that are 700 footprints which are single shots. I guess maybe this answers my questions.

Also thought about working the stock over and cutting the inlet for a larger action like a Panda. Just not sure if the pain is worth the gain.

Thoughts???

 

[BP1]

I’m pretty sure the guy who shot the OKC 1K state championship this year and won it was using a repeater also has 2 TSRA championships LR and MR and 5 2 man championships among a few others I’m leaving out using a repeater action.. so yes they will work.

 

[boltman13]

I had a Remington 40X with a magazine. I had it plugged with a piece of walnut, added a 3" bag rider and a single shot follower and shot FTR with it. Finally moved to F-Open and sold it on Accurate Shooter.

 

[Precisionhunter417]

No issue whatsoever shooting a repeater action for F class. Many such years have done just fine with the Remington 700, defiance, savage, etc..

I shot a repeater for years with scores that got me into High master. I'm now shooting another repeater and easily holding consistent 198 each relay.

 

[FTR_Mojo]

When I first started in ftr I used an Accuracy International, which used a magazine. I did just fine with it. Especially when I replaced the barrel with a krieger and put a jewell trigger in it.
My advice would be to not do that though. As in, spend money upgrading all the parts. When you get to that point you'd be better off selling it and building a ccustom. I wish I had.

 

[clowdis]

You can get a SLED device to go in your magazine and that will make it a single shot. However it should load just fine by placing the single round on the rails and closing the bolt. You won't be limited by using a repeater until you reach the pinnacle of the sport.

 

[Liven The Dream]

I still shoot 700 Actions with Single shot Followers installed? Made High Master F/Open Long and Mid Range.
Have Fun and Shot what you have for now......

 

[prone.life]

I've won club level FTR and Tactical F-class matches with Rem 700 repeaters using single shot sleds from CNC Werks and MK Machining. Once the sled is in place it doesn't feel any different than my single shot Rem 700s. Grab a sled and run what ya' got...

 

[Kracken McGraw]

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1015300323?pid=220977
Here’s the one for the regular factory adl and bdl.

 

[NZ_Fclass]

No reason not to. You might just want to move to a single shot one day, but hey - nothing to lose right now.
My BR F-open gun is a repeater - Barnard SMS action. I just use an MK sled. Shot clean a few times - best was a 60-7x at 600yds.

 

[Axkiker]

No reason not to. You might just want to move to a single shot one day, but hey - nothing to lose right now.
My BR F-open gun is a repeater - Barnard SMS action. I just use an MK sled. Shot clean a few times - best was a 60-7x at 600yds.

So I get that I can easily use a sled for single loading. I've done that plenty in other events.

I guess I'm just wondering if someone can be competitive at a high level with one. I look at the top of the ranks etc and I'm not sure if anyone uses a repeater style. Is that just because its the "thing" to do. Or do you really lose that much accuracy with a repeater?

I feel like I'm just trying to talk myself into going the easy cheap way with a 700 style.

 

[NZ_Fclass]

So I get that I can easily use a sled for single loading. I've done that plenty in other events.

I guess I'm just wondering if someone can be competitive at a high level with one. I look at the top of the ranks etc and I'm not sure if anyone uses a repeater style. Is that just because its the "thing" to do. Or do you really lose that much accuracy with a repeater?

I feel like I'm just trying to talk myself into going the easy cheap way with a 700 style.

I doubt that the "repeater" will achieve high level results - but it's probably not the "repreater" part that is the issue. My Tri-May and Barnard P rifles have longer tenon threads that are likely very true. Probably in the 1 or 2 /10000in. . That supports the barrel. The trigger timing is amazing. They both feed like whipped cream. I can guarantee that the lugs all make contact at the same time and pressure. The Tri-May ejects, but doesn't throw the brass into the next paddock, it drops gently next to the rifle. The Barnard waits patiently for me to remove the case. The actions sit on aluminium V-blocks. No magazine gaps,so the receiver is supported firmly and is perfectly round and holds the Picatinny is the correct position.

But you can still shoot a 60/10 with a Remington! It's been done many times -I shoot the 300m match with a Tikka in 223. No mods except the barrel - and I bought the gun 2nd hand, Shoots a half minute group at 300m. All I need.

 

[DirtySteve]

I guess I'm just wondering if someone can be competitive at a high level with one. I look at the top of the ranks etc and I'm not sure if anyone uses a repeater style. Is that just because its the "thing" to do. Or do you really lose that much accuracy with a repeater?

I feel like I'm just trying to talk myself into going the easy cheap way with a 700 style.

The top level guys just want purpose built rifles. They want every advantage no matter how small that they can get.

 

[Axkiker]

I doubt that the "repeater" will achieve high level results - but it's probably not the "repreater" part that is the issue. My Tri-May and Barnard P rifles have longer tenon threads that are likely very true. Probably in the 1 or 2 /10000in. . That supports the barrel. The trigger timing is amazing. They both feed like whipped cream. I can guarantee that the lugs all make contact at the same time and pressure. The Tri-May ejects, but doesn't throw the brass into the next paddock, it drops gently next to the rifle. The Barnard waits patiently for me to remove the case. The actions sit on aluminium V-blocks. No magazine gaps,so the receiver is supported firmly and is perfectly round and holds the Picatinny is the correct position.

But you can still shoot a 60/10 with a Remington! It's been done many times -I shoot the 300m match with a Tikka in 223. No mods except the barrel - and I bought the gun 2nd hand, Shoots a half minute group at 300m. All I need.

Also keep in mind when I say a Remington 700.. I mean a Remington 700 style. Im not trying to compare a factory 700 to a higher end aftermarket like a Prometheus.

So with that said if we are talking about advantage etc.. Would you say that a Kelbly Promethes being its a 700 style repeater would shoot as accurate as say the Kelbly Fclass?

I figure I could go a few different routes. Just take a Remington 700 (maybe a 40X) and work it over to shoot. I do my own work so the cost is not an issue. IT would work in the stock I have without modifications.

Take an aftermarket 700 style like maybe an American Rifle Works Coupe De Grace or the Kelbly Prometheus and use the the same stock I have. Would fit with minimal effort.

Or get something like a Kelbly F class or maybe a BAT Neuvo and rework the stock I have or ditch it for a new stock. Of course this is the largest of the $$$..

Kinda thinking if I decided to go with a 700 style just go with a stock Remington 700 and work it over. Not sure the bang would be worth the buck on the much more $$ 700 style like a Prometheus. Maybe I'm totally wrong there.

Who knows... Its cold and I cant shoot so might as well talk about it.

 

[Axkiker]

The top level guys just want purpose built rifles. They want every advantage no matter how small that they can get.

I would venture to say you are correct... My wonder is how much is that advantage.

 

[FTR_Mojo]

Kinda thinking if I decided to go with a 700 style just go with a stock Remington 700 and work it over. Not sure the bang would be worth the buck on the much more $$ 700 style like a Prometheus. Maybe I'm totally wrong there.

Who knows... Its cold and I cant shoot so might as well talk about it.

Don't do it. If you're starting out thinking you'll just work over a Rem 700 and it'll shoot as well as a custom. you're on a path to nowhere. It doesn't work like that. You'll spend a heap of money and still have an action that is inferior.

Just get a custom and never look back.

 

[jelenko]

Do I have it wrong that a RR/RAR 700 action from the factory [i.e., NOT worked over] in a solid chassis with a match grade barrel and match trigger will shoot 1/2 MOA groups or better the vast majority of the time?

If so, how would that rifle do in F-TR competitions?

My working theory is that such a rifle would not hold the shooter back until they were worried about the number of X's in their cleans.

 

[NZ_Fclass]

Also keep in mind when I say a Remington 700.. I mean a Remington 700 style. Im not trying to compare a factory 700 to a higher end aftermarket like a Prometheus.

So with that said if we are talking about advantage etc.. Would you say that a Kelbly Promethes being its a 700 style repeater would shoot as accurate as say the Kelbly Fclass?

I figure I could go a few different routes. Just take a Remington 700 (maybe a 40X) and work it over to shoot. I do my own work so the cost is not an issue. IT would work in the stock I have without modifications.

Take an aftermarket 700 style like maybe an American Rifle Works Coupe De Grace or the Kelbly Prometheus and use the the same stock I have. Would fit with minimal effort.

Or get something like a Kelbly F class or maybe a BAT Neuvo and rework the stock I have or ditch it for a new stock. Of course this is the largest of the $$$..

Kinda thinking if I decided to go with a 700 style just go with a stock Remington 700 and work it over. Not sure the bang would be worth the buck on the much more $$ 700 style like a Prometheus. Maybe I'm totally wrong there.

Who knows... Its cold and I cant shoot so might as well talk about it.

I bought a 40x last weekend. I'm planning to get too serious with it - but it will get a new 6BR barrel and a trigger job. Should be fun. I don't know Kelblys offerings, but I guess my Barnard is about the same grade - it's a repeater and shoots just fine. There's so many 700 clones out there - they must be OK or they wouldn't be selling

 

[FTR_Mojo]

Do I have it wrong that a RR/RAR 700 action from the factory [i.e., NOT worked over] in a solid chassis with a match grade barrel and match trigger will shoot 1/2 MOA groups or better the vast majority of the time?

If so, how would that rifle do in F-TR competitions?

My working theory is that such a rifle would not hold the shooter back until they were worried about the number of X's in their cleans.

I used a factory Rem 700 action for years, it was fine. But it was trued. I then had to put a better trigger on it. I shot some good scores with it. I even won with it. Why I put a factory action in with a top grade barrel, trigger and stock? I didn't know better.
But you can't compare it to a custom. Everything just tightens up. It's more consistent. You don't fight to close it, ignition is more reliable etc etc.
Having been down this road for way longer than I should have. I wish I'd just bought a custom action / rifle right from the get go. As factory does hold you back. You're not getting honest feedback. So it's harder to improve.

 

[Sandstorm]

Just go out and shoot whatever you have and improve your skillset. When your ready
go to the for sale section and get a used custom with all the bells and whistles for half the cost of a new build...It was my plan in the beginning and id say it worked out to perfection....least im happy.....
and get a mentor as its invaluable in my experience....but first go shoot and improve.