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Shooters World "Precision" Rifle Powder

Has anyone tried the new Shooters World “Precision” Extruded Propellant in a .17 Remington, .204 Ruger, .22-250, or .243 caliber rifle? If so, is it as good or better than Varget?

Over at the Midsouth Blog they claim it is better than Varget. They said they wanted the same burn speed as Varget. They wanted the same density as Varget. They wanted easier and more consistent volumetric charging than Varget. But most importantly, they wanted superior ignition, and superior temperature insensitivity. They wanted it more accurate.

If you have tried it please post your results and your opinion. Thanks!!!

If you buy 4 pounds of any Shooter's World Powders you get free HAZ MAT on your order from Midsouth Shooters Supply.
 
I'm hoping someone has tried it and compared the results to Varget. I have to say, the price looks right, and free shipping is a big plus. I have a bunch of Varget,and a new 6Br, it would be an interesting test to run the two powders head to head.
 
Precision Rifle is a canister form of Explosia bulk and Lovex canister propellant S062.

Screenshot_20180506-073248.jpg Precision-Rifle-Photo.jpg
superior temperature insensitivity.

The MSDS for https://shootersworldsc.com/precision-rifle/ powder doesn't seem to have the additives that Varget does?

No - phthalates such as dibutyl phthalate (DBP) and 2,4-
dinitrotoluene (2,4-DNT). Is this good or bad? They are the most commonly used plasticizers. http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature Articles/McCord_gunpowder/

I dont see a decoppering agent? Its a extruded propellant.


Shooters World is just the importer for Lovex powders, looks like? More choices. A good thing. Screenshot_20180506-073248.jpg

Testing may give different results in different cartridges?
The charge weights and results noted within are not recommended, either as a starting nor maximum load. They are shown merely as an indication of potential performance in one test load, shot by CIP standards.
 
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Their load data shows it to be a bit faster than Varget producing somewhat lower velocities. Their Target version is slower and shows better speed. Let us know when you try it.
 
Yes, as noted it is Lovex SO62. Until Western Powders in Montana bought the old Accurate Powders outfit this was packaged and sold in the US as Accurate-4064. (Accurate-4064 continues of course but now uses a similarly performing product made by the General Dynamics Energetics Valleyfield, Ontario plant, the same one which produces IMR powders for Hodgdon.)

If you've used either IMR or Accurate 4064 (old or new) you have a good appreciation of SO62's / Precision's capabilities and characteristics. That is, it is a very useful, flexible powder for a large number of cartridges.

It is rated at 3,850 KJ / Kg (kilo-joules energy per 1 kilogram weight) compared to VarGet's 4,050 - a drop of 200 points is a considerable one in this classification - so it is a lower energy propellant. It is very well and consistently manufactured, but I would be surprised if it offers the near unique mix of flexibility, high performance, and temperature insensitivity that VarGet offers.

That said it is an excellent powder in cartridges like the 308 Win and will with the right bullets offer outstanding precision as IMR-4064 has for many decades (but not many long-distance FTR shooters load it these days).
 
It is rated at 3,850 KJ / Kg (kilo-joules energy per 1 kilogram weight) compared to VarGet's 4,050 - a drop of 200 points is a considerable one in this classification - so it is a lower energy propellant. It is very well and consistently manufactured, but I would be surprised if it offers the near unique mix of flexibility, high performance, and temperature insensitivity that VarGet offers.
Laurie,
I don't really understand that. I have used a lot of Varget, but had to switch to VV N140 with a heat content of 3720. The two powders seemed to me to be grain for grain twins. How is that?
 
Laurie,
I don't really understand that. I have used a lot of Varget, but had to switch to VV N140 with a heat content of 3720. The two powders seemed to me to be grain for grain twins. How is that?

We first saw N140 in the UK 10 or more years before Viht powders were imported into the US - I first used it around '84 or '85. It was the most popular powder in British handloading by far back in the late 80s and through the 90s. When VarGet first appeared, it found its admirers but sold a lot less here being considerably more expensive on a unit basis.

Over subsequent years, as interest in higher performance increased in cartridges like the 308 Win, VarGet became increasingly admired and sought after. When FTR came into being, it soon became the powder for 308 and the then prevalent 155gn bullet weight as in the US simply because it gives considerably and consistently higher MVs, although some competitors preferred the equally high specific energy H4895. Unlike TR where a 155 Sierra and 2950-3,000 was good enough so that N140 is still very popular indeed and the grade's lot to lot consistency is much treasured, the very high specific energy H4895 and VarGet were in a league of their own bar Viht N540 which was soon shunned thanks to dramatically reduced barrel life. 3,070-3,130 fps was the usual MV range in 'Palma' brass for the two Hodgdon powders, but I've seen people run them faster - N140 goes nowhere near that. When we went through various Hodgdon / ADI 'supply droughts', people were near bereft and would pay well over the odds for a season's worth of H4895 or VarGet from a single production lot.

Although temperature insensitivity is valued, especially as the upper limits of performance are explored, it has never been as great an issue here as we don't get North American continental temperature extremes or anywhere like them across a year, never mind a day. It is sheer performance that sold this pair of powders here, and in VarGet's case its flexibility working in so many cartridges. Our importers could sell every pound of the stuff that Hodgdon Powder would send them - by 2016/17 year the order backlog stood at over 5,000 lb, a vast amount for the small European market.

There are a lot of people here scratching for alternatives now that it has been withdrawn from Europe, but we have a lot more choice now, especially with Nitrochemie's Reload Swiss RS52 - anything VarGet will do RS52 does too but gives a little more velocity. It may or more likely may not match VarGet on the temperature issue, but it's good enough for our climate.
 
Not to be argumentative, but Re15 is known to give higher velocities on a grain-to-grain basis in the .223 than Varget, yet it has a slightly lower heat content.

I'm just thinking there is more to the equation than heat content.
 
I'm just thinking there is more to the equation than heat content.

Yes, of course, just as there is more to powder classification than (the often misleading) burning rate. Also, the nominal specific energy levels we have are those quoted by the manufacturer and we don't know how accurate they are, likewise how comparable between makes and even within lots.

Re15 is a slightly slower burning powder powder than VarGet in most small to mid size cartridges. Depending on the actual application and bullet weight that often allows a higher maximum charge weight to be employed. Energy input = specific energy X charge weight and output (in terms of MV and muzzle energy is the total input X cartridge thermodynamic efficiency (which is in the high twenties to low 30s % level for most cartridges and loadings). As that efficiency rating varies even within a single cartridge, other factors obviously apply. Where VarGet has made a name for itself is that it appears to work extraordinarily well in some applications and very well in many. It has in colloquial terms the 'X' factor.

In any event, Re15's nominal specific energy rating at 3,990 KJ/kG is rather closer to VarGet's nominal 4,050 than Viht N140's 3,720 and the various single-based Lovex grades' 3,850.

I used at least some VarGet every year after it first appeared in the UK until maybe six, seven years ago when I stopped using it even in the usual 'go to' applications such as 6mm BR and found just as good alternatives. My early use and subsequent lack of use have nothing to do with any feelings of warmth or coolness against the product or Hodgdon Powder Company, both excellent in their fields, but because of real price increases against the competition for the Hogdon / ADI grades here, also because of its regular unavailability even before the EU dipped its regulatory oar into this pool of water. There was a continuous period of 18 months during which it simply couldn't be found in any retailer. For a high output competition shooter, if you can't get hold of a powder, it's simply no good to you.
 

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