Scope question? Nikon Monarch SF

[Melt215]

So I was looking at a Remington 700 sps 308 with a Nikon Monarch sf 4-16x42 attached and had a question about the scope and the possibility of taking it with me to long range shooting school next month.
The internal elevation is only 40 yet the side focus indicates distances of 50 to a 1000 yards, how can this be especially with 1/4 moa adjustments.

Thanks in advance.

 

[BigDMT]

20 MOA scope base

 

[tjtjwdad]

or you can use Burris scope rings with +20MOA offsets.

Either way, the problem with that range of travel & using a .308 @ 1000 yds is almost fruitless. You can skew [or offset it] for 1000 yds but the trade off becomes having little to no MOA adjustments when you're up close. For a 308 [with it's ballistics] for 1000 yards, I'd look real hard at a 30mm sope because it adds more internal adjustments over the 1" models.

HTH

 

[CatShooter]

[sic] I was looking at a Remington 700 sps 308 with a Nikon Monarch sf 4-16x42 attached and had a question about the scope and the possibility of taking it with me to long range shooting school next month.
The internal elevation is only 40 yet the side focus indicates distances of 50 to a 1000 yards, how can this be especially with 1/4 moa adjustments.

Thanks in advance.

First, the easy part - the 1/4 moa clicks have nothing to do with the maximum range. 1/4 moa at 1,000 yards is equal to ~2.5", which means that your POI is never more than 1.25" from your POA, which is not the worst thing that can happen with an off the rack Rem 700 SPS... at a class that takes you to 1,000 yards, you are going to have a lot more problems, than your sight being off 1.25" at 1,000 yards - believe me on that one!!

Also, the 40 moa total elevation can be no problem with a flat shooting rifle like a 300 WM, but with the 308, it is an insurmountable limitation.

With the classic match load (168 SMK @ 2,600) you need ~44 moa to go from a 100 yd zero, to 1,000 yards. So "you can't get there from here".

With the 175 SMK (a more modern choice), you still need 40 moa... and even with the Burris system of moa inserts, it would not be possible to get the rifle/scope combination to work.

You need a different scope, or less ambitious goals.

 

[BigDMT]

you know, people seem to forget that you can also hold over with a reticle.

The Canadian sniper that was the first to break Carlos Hathcock's longest kill shot record was using a McMillan 50 cal with a NightForce scope. He had the scope completely maxed out for windage and elevation, plus was holding beyond max windage and elevation of the mildot reticle. Insane marksmanship in 8000 ft elevation and high winds like that.

My point is...you can easlily get the 308 to hit at 1K yards with that scope if you "think outside the box" a bit

 

[tjtjwdad]

you know, people seem to forget that you can also hold over with a reticle.

The Canadian sniper that was the first to break Carlos Hathcock's longest kill shot record was using a McMillan 50 cal with a NightForce scope. He had the scope completely maxed out for windage and elevation, plus was holding beyond max windage and elevation of the mildot reticle. Insane marksmanship in 8000 ft elevation and high winds like that.

My point is...you can easlily get the 308 to hit at 1K yards with that scope if you "think outside the box" a bit

BigDMT...won't argue with that but, for precision shooting I'd rather have the option to turn the dials. Years ago I tried the aforementioned set up and in the end another [30mm] scope made it a lot easier. The OP didn't say [or I missed it] what they were shooting at 1000 yds. I presumed it was non-live targets of some nature.

 

[BigDMT]

True. Hold over isn't what folks like to do for precision work. Some reticles are capable of BR precision with holdover, but I know Nikon doesnt make a reticle capable of that.

However, I cant imagine the OP is going for Benchrest accuracy by choosing a factory Rem 700 SPS in 308 with a 4-16 Nikon scope. Long range shooting schools are usually about smacking metal plates while shooting prone. So I assumed hold over would suffice for that application.

 

[M-61]

you know, people seem to forget that you can also hold over with a reticle.

The Canadian sniper that was the first to break Carlos Hathcock's longest kill shot record was using a McMillan 50 cal with a NightForce scope. He had the scope completely maxed out for windage and elevation, plus was holding beyond max windage and elevation of the mildot reticle. Insane marksmanship in 8000 ft elevation and high winds like that.

My point is...you can easlily get the 308 to hit at 1K yards with that scope if you "think outside the box" a bit

Just a quick note to your 2nd paragraph if anyone is interested: His name (The Canadian sniper) is Rob Furlong, originally from Newfoundland, and operates a shooting school in Lower Sackville Nova Scotia. I know they completed an 800 meter range there not too long ago. His story after returning home (Canada) is interesting.

 

[Raythemanroe]

you know, people seem to forget that you can also hold over with a reticle.

The Canadian sniper that was the first to break Carlos Hathcock's longest kill shot record was using a McMillan 50 cal with a NightForce scope. He had the scope completely maxed out for windage and elevation, plus was holding beyond max windage and elevation of the mildot reticle. Insane marksmanship in 8000 ft elevation and high winds like that.

My point is...you can easlily get the 308 to hit at 1K yards with that scope if you "think outside the box" a bit

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