What do you guys think about this http://savagearms.com/12PrecVarm.htm .Not for competition,just paper punching at 100yds and coyotes out to 300yds.The 22-250 model.
Savage Model 12 Long Range Precision Varminter
- Thread starter glockmeister71
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Miester.. I think that Savage would be perfect. You will have a gun that will shoot the 40-55 grn. bullets like a house of fire. A 12 twst will not shoot the heavy, high BC. bullets. You will have a gun that takes you five minutes to change the barrel to any caliber with a .473 bolt face. I will be flamed and banished from this board forever for saying this but, IMHO I think they are much better shooters out of the box than theRemington's. You won't be disappointed if you want to shoot the lower grain weight bullets.
Chuck
Chuck
I plan on using 40gr projectiles and Benchmark powder.I keep it in 8lb jugs for my 308/147gr loads,so I'll try it first and see if I'm happy.I think I'll try some of the Nosler brass too.Never tried their brass,but I've always been happy with every product of theirs I have tried.
Try a Serria 55 gr BlitzKing BT pushed to 3000+ FPS. Powder of your choice. They are tack drivers. My son, son-in-law & I all have various versions of this gun. They are the best bang for your buck. And yes, I'm a die hard Remington Shooter. Learned to shoot on a Remington 41P that I still have, and have hunted with a 700 BDL for the last 35 years. I still like them and will continue to shoot Remington, but the Savage Model 12 is just as good and may be more accurate.
Dimwit Flathead
It's the Juggernaut, Bitch!
I purchased a Savage Model 12 Heavy Varmint rifle in 204 Ruger last fall. I then proceeded to try to get it to shoot, trying factory ammo and handloads until I was blue in the face. Had it bedded and gone over with the same crappy results I had been getting previously. It was the most frustrating rifle I have ever dealt with. Traded it on a TC Encore yesterday...
Wow,that surprises me.I've only known one other person complain about a heavy barrel Savage's accuracy.He was a cop that had confiscated an older 110FP in 308 and said it shot 6" groups at 100yds w/FGMM 168's.It's unknown how many rounds or what treatment it had before hand.The only Savage I've had that the accuracy was poor was a skinny 20" barrel model.I had a 10FP/308 that shot .182" 100yd groups with reloads and an older 112/223 that shot .376" 100yd groups with cheap UMC 55's.Both was factory barrels.I also had a 12FV/22-250 that I had to get rid of soon after I purchased it because of health reasons,but what little I shot it made me believe it was also going to be a good shooter.The guy I sold it to said he got 1/4" groups with reloads.
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Way too much money compared to a Savage 12 BVSS.
Savage action is not a bad idea. Savage barrels tend to be quite accurate for a factory rig, but tool- and chatter-marks are all too common which means they are heavy foulers.
If you want to have a GREAT Savage, find the cheapest stainless Accutrigger action you can find in .308. Sell off the barrel and stock and shipping box. Add a PacNor or Walther prefit SuperMatch barrel,I'm partial to PacNors). Drop it into a good stock,see BLOG for the SSS LR Benchrest model).
You'll now have a rifle good enough to win local club matches, that will run longer, with MUCH less fouling, in the varmint fields. All-up cost, after you've sold the factory barrel and stock, should be under $1000.
The only gunsmithing required would be to skim-bed the action and that you could probably do yourself.
AND... drum-roll please... we are considering starting an Accurate Shooter Club that may entitle you to further discounts on many of the components. $20/year and you'd save that much on the stock alone.
Savage action is not a bad idea. Savage barrels tend to be quite accurate for a factory rig, but tool- and chatter-marks are all too common which means they are heavy foulers.
If you want to have a GREAT Savage, find the cheapest stainless Accutrigger action you can find in .308. Sell off the barrel and stock and shipping box. Add a PacNor or Walther prefit SuperMatch barrel,I'm partial to PacNors). Drop it into a good stock,see BLOG for the SSS LR Benchrest model).
You'll now have a rifle good enough to win local club matches, that will run longer, with MUCH less fouling, in the varmint fields. All-up cost, after you've sold the factory barrel and stock, should be under $1000.
The only gunsmithing required would be to skim-bed the action and that you could probably do yourself.
AND... drum-roll please... we are considering starting an Accurate Shooter Club that may entitle you to further discounts on many of the components. $20/year and you'd save that much on the stock alone.
I agree about the fouling issue.I never had the problem with the 223 or 22-250,but the 308 definitely had it.I could only do 15 rounds until the groups would start spreading.
I'd be down with that YO! Sign me up ASAP! 
I'd find a Savage 12 BVSS Single Shot used if you can. I think with a Savage you'd perfer a Single Shot action.
The space between the front action screw and the rear is smaller than a Remington or mauser type action. Also the place hogged out for the trigger is pretty large. So what you end up with is a rather small IMHO bedding area.
With a Single shot action you have an action that can be skim bedded into the action. The rear action screw has more meat to it since its not close to the box magazine. I Know some may disagree, but I think that small rear bedding surface is a problem, the pillar just doesn't have enough wood or synethic material to adhere too.
So you get a 12 BVSS SS Single shot, sell off the barrel, buy a quality stock, barrel, trigger, reocil lug...etc. Have Fred over at SSS Set up your rig!
For a feeding system I believe its hard to beat the Tikka actions....thats pre T series. The old M 695 long action and M 595 short action are truely slick as snails snot. and there are no issues in feeding if you can fit the cartridage into the mag I doubt you'll have fedding issues. Mac Tilton is THE Tikka Man!
I'd find a Savage 12 BVSS Single Shot used if you can. I think with a Savage you'd perfer a Single Shot action.
The space between the front action screw and the rear is smaller than a Remington or mauser type action. Also the place hogged out for the trigger is pretty large. So what you end up with is a rather small IMHO bedding area.
With a Single shot action you have an action that can be skim bedded into the action. The rear action screw has more meat to it since its not close to the box magazine. I Know some may disagree, but I think that small rear bedding surface is a problem, the pillar just doesn't have enough wood or synethic material to adhere too.
So you get a 12 BVSS SS Single shot, sell off the barrel, buy a quality stock, barrel, trigger, reocil lug...etc. Have Fred over at SSS Set up your rig!
For a feeding system I believe its hard to beat the Tikka actions....thats pre T series. The old M 695 long action and M 595 short action are truely slick as snails snot. and there are no issues in feeding if you can fit the cartridage into the mag I doubt you'll have fedding issues. Mac Tilton is THE Tikka Man!
I think, for what it's worth, the precision varminter is very overpriced for what it could be... a truly LONG range precision gun. I happened to be at Sharp Shooter Supply today talking with Fred,if you ever get a chance he is a GREAT guy, and Lisa couldn't be nicer) about this very topic. I wasn't aware, but they are using a large shank barrel which limits resale to most of the savage shooting public. The H&S precision stock is nice, but not much of an improvement over the low profile laminate stock they already offer. You will still need to bed it to get the best fit possible. In my mind your money will be more well spent with the recommendations that the moderator made. $260 for a Stevens at Wal-Mart, $450 for a pre-fit Pac-Nor, pick your stock of choice...SSS 1000 yard or SVT are great options for under $300. Throw in an aftermarket trigger and your favorite piece of glass, send to Fred, and you are about as good as you can get without going the custom route for 2-3x as much.
Good luck,
Mike
Good luck,
Mike
savet06 said:
Mike, did you hit the shop again and not give me advanced notice so we could finally meet? tsk tsk tsk!
Anyway, you pretty much spelled out what me and Fred both have been trying to pound into Savage's head since last September when we first heard news of the 12LRPV. In Savage's defense, they had hoped to offer it in 6.5-284, but they aren't happy with the accuracy they're getting from their 6.5mm barrels as of yet.
Savage happened to supply me with a 12LRPV in .22-250 with a 1-9" twist barrel for a project rifle this year. I specifically requested the 1-9" twist in hopes of generating enough interest that Savage will offer them next year. Fred and I are also really pushing them to offer the 6mm BR Norma as well, but we've made little progress thus far. In short, if you want to see either start calling Savage and tell them you want them to offer it.
So far mine's shooting extremely well,when I do my part). I'm far from an exceptional shooter, but when I can routinely shoot groups in the 3's and 4's,and several groups dropping into the 2's when I get lucky) with a bone-stock factory rifle it says a lot for the gun.
My pet load for paper punching is 37.5 grains of Varget, CCI BR2 primer, and a 53gr SMK. I'm also playing with the 60gr V-Max, 65gr Sierra Gameking and the 75gr A-Max bullets, and have loads worked up for each that will consistently group around 1/2 MOA.
The only downside is that this rifle has taken all the fun out of shooting the 2" spinner at 225 yards at our local range.
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There is no way that your group sizes are correct if those are .224 size holes, the top one looks like around .400. Measure center to center, or outside to outside and subtract .224. Is the circle in the center is .500. If so you group is almost that. If you have a .222 group the outside bullet holes should be over laped by .002
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The measurement on the third,bottom) target looks correct to me.
Even if the first two are larger than specified I'd say that's a darn fine shootin' factory rifle. Let's hope Savage brings out the 1:9.
Even if the first two are larger than specified I'd say that's a darn fine shootin' factory rifle. Let's hope Savage brings out the 1:9.
First let me say the accurate shooters club sounds like a great idea. Second considering how large the bullet holes are when you open up the pic it is obvious the image was resized so getting an accurate measurement even printing them out is impossible. I for one say any group with a .224 caliber bullet that has all the holes touching is minute of coyote in my book. And definitely not worth the heart ache debating it.
jhilton said:
Well, last I checked my Mitutuyo caliper was still dead nuts accurate, so chalk this one up to your eyes playing tricks on you.
Note however that there are two different sized targets shown in my last post. On the first two targets, the white of the box,and the bullseye) are approximately 0.312", or roughly 5/16". On the third target the white of the box,and the bullseye) are approximately 0.495", or roughly 1/2".
Outside to Outside on the first group is roughly 0.446".
Outside to Outside on the second group is roughly 0.665".
Outside to Outside on the third group is roughly 0.522".
Subtract the bullet diameter from all three and you get 0.222", 0.441" and 0.298" respectively, which is what's noted in my previous post.
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