Saum vs WSM: battle of the obsoletes

[Shrek]

I agree on all the positives of the SAUM; efficient, good brass, sound design. In the end though, the Winchester won out again. It checked all the boxes: I won't have to buy dies, or upgrade the stock as it came in a nice older Bell and Carlson (one with checkering and some actual shape to the grip. Also included was 200 pieces of virgin Winchester brass and 40 loaded rounds. All I have left to do is give it a good cleaning and decide what I want between the Winny and the Sightron...

That Winchester in 7mm wsm will be great. I had one for a few years and then I rebarreled it into a 6.5 saum. I like it even more as the 6.5 saum.
I love the New Haven Classic M70’s. Easy to work trigger , longer factory magazine than a Remington , flat bottom and sides on the action, integral recoil lug , and three position safety. All big pluses to me.

 

[jonbearman]

The 300 wsm is very manageable with a brake if recoil is something that bothers you. My friends 300 wsm is easy to shoot with a brake sid Goodling put on it.

 

[SPQR70AD]

Are you sure you want "more snort" than a Creed? Putting aside for the moment how all the cool kids just *know* there's no virtue to the 6.5crd and it's all marketing hype.

A 24" tube can give you 2800 in a 140 with RL26 and reasonable pressures. I've seen 2900 in my 26" savage, but don't want to run it that hot (to be clear-- no ejector witness on brass at this speed, but it still seems warm to me and it's LRP brass).

Deer out to 500 is absolutely manageable for a 6.5crd.


So, assuming that ship has sailed on you're set on a 7 SAUM or WSM, Midway shows 2 sources of WSM brass and 4 for SAUM.

None of them are any good except perhaps the norma-made Nosler ($$$).

Brass quality/availability is the reason the 7mm short mags haven't caught on more I suspect.

I personally insist that a cartridge must have brass available from one or more of Peterson, Lapua, Alpha Munitions, or similar premium maker (ADG belong on that list?). Or that it could be easily formed from such.

I'd steer clear of either 7mm short mag until someone makes good brass for them. There are too many other ways to get a 7mm bullet to those speeds with better brass.

sounds like he needs a 280 AI where in a pinch he could use the tons of 30-06 brass for cases and achieve the velocity he thinks he needs. the 280 standard or AI is better then the 6.5 creed more or less and does it with heavier bullets

 

[mikegaiz]

I think a 300WSM is best think since sliced bread. But for what you are describing a straight 284 Win is perfect.. And goot to 1000 if needed..

 

[std7mag]

Paper & deer to 500 yards?
Neither the RSAUM, or the WSM.

Stock 7mm-08 will get the job done without the extra recoil.

 

[Nature Boy]

In the end though, the Winchester won out

Good choice. Post some pics when you get a chance