Safe to shoot with zero headspace?

[Brians356]

Would that be illegal in Kalifornia?

 

[justpassinthru]

I just don't see a reason to buy so many dies when one will do it all.
Note: By removing the bushing and all internal parts, the Type-S full bushing die may also be used as a body die.

It's a PITA to disassemble an S-Die just to convert it to a body die. And of course to reassemble it later as a FL bushing die.

The regular Redding Body Die is too cheap, and my remaining time is worth too much.

It has been suggested that the op buy a body die to get him out of the situation he is currently in. All I'm proposing is instead of that, he buy the Type S FL die. It can be used to get him out of the problem he now has and when reassembled and properly adjusted, he will never have to deal with a too tight case again.
It's impossible for anyone here to say how much resistance is there when his bolt is closed, because he is the only one with access to it.
I want no resistance, because if my lugs are going to be lapped it to the action, I want it done in a controlled manner, using the proper equipment..

 

[CatShooter]

It has been suggested that the op buy a body die to get him out of the situation he is currently in. All I'm proposing is instead of that, he buy the Type S FL die. It can be used to get him out of the problem he now has and when reassembled and properly adjusted, he will never have to deal with a too tight case again.

Just exactly what situation is he in, that he has to buy a die to get out of???

He does NOT have a "too tight case".

 

[justpassinthru]

It has been suggested that the op buy a body die to get him out of the situation he is currently in. All I'm proposing is instead of that, he buy the Type S FL die. It can be used to get him out of the problem he now has and when reassembled and properly adjusted, he will never have to deal with a too tight case again.

Just exactly what situation is he in, that he has to buy a die to get out of???

He does NOT have a "too tight case".

The op said: "I've always neck sized but it finally looks like the shoulder has to be bumped back a bit." Apparently he thinks he has a problem or he wouldn't have started this thread.
I can't tell how hard his bolt is to close, neither can you from this forum.
Is he supposed to force the bolt closed on all that ammo?
Buying a body die then going back to the exact same process that caused this to begin with, doesn't sound like much of a plan to me.

 

[bigedp51]

Just exactly what situation is he in, that he has to buy a die to get out of???

He does NOT have a "too tight case".

CatShooter, if the OP decides to hunt a Tyrannosaurus Rex, a grizzly bear or a really grumpy Polar bear that had its balls in ice cold water all day he will need to full length resize his cases. So who gets to decide how tight the case should be and how many people use a bench rest rifle to hunt a Tyrannosaurus Rex, a grizzly bear or a really grumpy Polar bear. :

Signed
bigedp51 (aka the rat turd in the violin case, full length resizer)

Some of us have the cognisant ability to make choices. :

 

[bigedp51]

So I just finished loading 300 rounds of 6mm Remington for an upcoming prairie dog trip and when I chamber the new rounds I get resistance on the close. Pop them out and you can see a couple horizontal lines on the shoulder, from rubbing when the bolt cams over and locks. In a senior moment I forgot to run the brass through my chamber after I prepped it. I've always neck sized but it finally looks like the shoulder has to be bumped back a bit.

My question is this, can I safely fire these rounds in an essentially "zero" headspace condition or do I need to pull them all and bump them back a bit?

Thanks :-[

Shoot your snug cases and grease your locking lugs...........................................and then think about full length resizing with minimum shoulder bump and not starting a riot between the Hatfields and Mccoys reloading clubs.

 

[Dgd6mm]

biged, this was my thought from the beginning. I have followed this thread from the start. ;D

 

[Erik Cortina]

Best accuracy will be found from a min-OAL chamber. If you have any kind of rifling at all to work with, you want minimum case stretch at each firing.

I full length size my brass every time with ~.002" shoulder bump have suffered no accuracy loss compared to neck sizing. One advantage is that I no longer have a stiff bolt on close nor open and my bags don't get upset when I cycle the bolt.

I have also witnessed shooters win Champhionships while fireforming brass, so apparently brass that does not have "min-OAL" chamber will shoot just fine and tight brass is not needed for "best accuracy".

 

[bigedp51]

Your bet may be a close stat for custom benchrest rifles, but a far fetch to custom rifle viewers all together. F-Class, Tactical, Highpower, Silhouette, etc.. have literally 1000's of more followers then does benchrest, which custom rifles are also the norm. And then there is the ever so growing popularity custom hunting rifles. Singling out benchrest rifles as the custom market as you are is obtuse.

I'll put out a bet myself, that 99% of the viewers do not own Springfield's like you so often pictorially paint threads with.

I do agree with your input to F/L-sizing !.!.!
Donovan

Dear Mr. Donovan

I'm glad you replied and I'm overwhelmed by your vast firearms knowledge. :

Below is the American Springfield 03 30-06 rifle.

Below is the M1917 Enfiled rifle that 75% of American troops carried during WWI and it was a British design that we rechambered to 30-06.

And below are some of the British .303 Enfield rifles I collected, I sold 95% of my milsurp rifles to buy modern rifles. These new rifle have scopes for old aging eyes that couldn't see iron sights very well any more. I kept two Enfields and a M1 Garand, sob, hic, (wipes eyes) and the rest are now gone. :'(

But I'm getting sidetracked, below is my benchrest Enfield rifle, and since I believe in equal opportunity I full length resize the ammunition for the bottom barrel and only neck size for the top barrel.

P.S. And when I do neck size you can bet your "Springfield" rifles I use the most accurate methods possible.

 

[Glocksig]

For closure sake I bumped the shoulder back .002 using my bushing die with the bushing removed, now all of the cases are uniform including another 100 I had previously loaded which is never a bad thing. Did it less for concern over shooting the cases as is and more to make sure they were all the same.

For what it's worth I always lube spots where metal rubs on metal except in trigger groups where I'll make sure they're clean only or I'll use a dry lube like hornady one shot.

 

[Glocksig]

And the final word, 3 shot 200 yard group, pdogs here I come!

 

[Dusty Stevens]

It just always simply amazes me at the wide range of knowledge on internet forums.