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SAAMI or CIP for 22-250 handloading

Really eager to start loading up for (2) .22-250 Remingtons.

First is a Savage 12BVSS action with 26" SS factory 1-9.25 twist barrel. Plans are to shoot 50 and 52 grain bullets. Would have been nice to have a 1-12 twist barrel, but got the barrel on great trade.

Second is a Savage 10FP action with SSS 24" SS Douglas 1-8 twist barrel. I will be using 77 and 80 grain bullet in this rifle.

Question is, which pressure limits do you use for handloading? Quickloads offers (2) specification, SAAMI @65000 PSI and CIP @ 58700. Further, I went to Hodgdon's website and they list loads in both SAAMI and CIP levels.

Do not want to blow myself up.
 
223Rem,

You'll be fine with either, but remember, you won't know what you're getting in your rifle anyway, unless you were to actually pressure test it. The loads in the manuals are what those components gave in the test rifles. You're using a different rifle, different brass, different powder lot, different primer lot, etc., etc., etc.. Reloading manuals are a guide, a reference to let you know where others have gone, and the results they obtained. Ultimately, when you're the one doing the reloading, it's up to you to watch those pressure signs, and alter the loads accordingly. In some instances, you may be able to exceed the loads shown in the manual by quite some margin. In others, you may very well not be able to safely shoot the top load listed with the "same" component combination, due to some idiosyncracies of your particular rifle.

You need a manual (and several is even better), but you need to use them with some common sense, and a grain of salt.
 
Kevin,

Thanks for the advice. I have been handloading for 20 years now, but never for the .22-250. Seeing two different pressure specs for the same cartridge put me for a loss at first.

Makes me wonder which standard most ammunition manufacturers are loading to.

Probably just go with the CIP spec to error on the side of safety.
 
I believe the other one is CUP, rather than CIP. They refer to two different methods of measuring pressure, rather than two different specs. Because of the differences in the two methods of measuring the pressure of a fired round, you get a significant difference in the pressure reading for the exact same load. Theoretically, neither is better or more valid than the other, they are just different, so you need to know which method was used to get the pressure reading to keep from comparing apples and oranges. CUP is by far the older method, and the units of the reading are Copper Units of Pressure; the pressure barrel actually has hole in it into which is inserted a copper pellet which is then crushed by the ignition of the cartridge, and the "pressure" determined by mearurement of the deformation of the copper pellet. The SAAMI psi spec is based on a pressure measurement taken from a specialized single use load cell (at least it was single use when I first encountered the method; that may since have changed) incorporated into the cartridge case or test barrel (can't remember which) and is a much newer method of determining pressure. While I said that theoretically they are about equal in accuracy, the SAAMI method is generally considered to be more precise, with good reason, given the capabilities of modern load cells. The main thing to remember is that you are using two different pressure scales and measurement processes, and you can't really convert from one to the other reliably. If you are interested in precision of pressure measurement, assuming the skill of the testors is equal, the SAAMI method is the more precise of the two by the nature of the process used to instrument and record the measurement, but this doesn't invalidate the much older CUP method, it just offers a more modern, more exacting alternative. As long as you don't compare pressures from one method directly with measurements from the other method, you'll be fine no matter rating you use. A maximum pressure for CUP is established for each load tested by that method (mostly that's test data that has existed for years), and a maximum PSI for each load tested by the SAAMI method is established for loads tested using that method. As long as you compare a CUP pressure rating to the CUP max load rating and a SAAMI PSI rating to the maximum SAAMI psi for that load, you're fine. Since the actual number for CUP is a good deal lower than a similar SAAMI PSI rating for the same load, comparing a CUP test result to the SAAMI max load PSI rating will definitely yield a false sense of security. Again, as mentioned above, stick to apples to apples comparisons and oranges to oranges comparisons and you'll be fine. Just don't mix the two. And remember that data expressed as SAMMI PSI units usually represents more recent data determined with a test protocal that is (mainly due to improved test instrumentation components) more precise. But with many loads, old CUP data is all that exists, since there is no need to reinvent the wheel (pressure testing equipment and testing protocals aren't exactly cheap) just to express a test result in a new rating scale, and unless some outfit already has a test run scheduled with it for, say, the introduction of a new VLD bullet, why go to the expense of testing a 30-06 with a 170 grain bullet and 4064 again when that combination was tested to death with a copper crusher test barrel 40 years ago? Like so many things in our lives involving engineering, the data that exists is often driven by economics as much as snything else....
 

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