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Ruined Bartlein barrel?

Did I somehow ruin my brand new Bartlein barrel? Here's the story (and photo). Last September, I completed an LR-308 build which includes a Bartlein barrel.

I finally got a chance to start the break in process last weekend. I cleaned the barrel before I went to the range. Once there, I bore snaked the barrel and then I shot six of my own handloads through it, doing a thorough cleaning between each round. The cleaning consisted of patches saturated with MPRO7 cleaner for the carbon until light gray or white (with some nylon brushing thrown in), followed by patches saturated with Sweet's (no brushing) until no more blue. The saturated patches were all one direction only (breech to muzzle) on a TCS O-Ring Cleaning Jag, while the infrequent brushing was back and forth slowly and carefully with a new nylon brush. The reason I only shot six rounds is because it took me all day to do just these six rounds (about 5 1/2 hours at the range). In fact, for that last round, I fired it, put a few patches of MPRO7 down the bore, one patch of MPRO7 oil, and then packed it up to finish at home.

Got home. No time that night to finish cleaning. Waited until next night to finish cleaning. Took out rifle, two dry patches for the oil, and then resumed with MPRO7 and Sweet's as above. (Pretty much gave up on the brushing as it didn't seem to give me any darker patches afterwards.) Finally, after the Sweet's part of the process, after getting no more blue from copper in the bore from that sixth round. I put a patch of the oil down the bore and was getting ready to put her away when I noticed what you see in the photo. Is this copper that my cleaning is just not touching, or :'( rust?

I took the photo, put her away until next night, and began online search for some answers. Next day, decided to try the Sweet's and Hydrogen Peroxide tactic that I had read about. Two patches of Sweet's. Second patch had hint of blue consisting of five equally spaced dots (dots the size of ink pen tips) around the patch (matching the 5R rifling spacing). But when I sent the patches of hydrogen peroxide SLOWLY down the bore, I got no foam. Not even a little. Tried again with same results. Followed up with dry patches, followed by patches with alcohol for good measure in cleaning out the peroxide, followed by more dry patches, followed by more Sweet's (no blue), followed by more dry patches, followed finally by two passes of patches with MPRO7 oil and put her away.

So I've come here seeking help. Am I looking at copper that won't budge, or (hopefully not) is that the start of rust? I know the Sweet's says don't leave longer than 15 minutes. Did I violate that by continually using it, one patch after the next, for half an hour or an hour at a time? Did the fact that it was raining on the range during this process somehow contribute. Did I wait too long to do that initial cleaning of the barrel from when I got the barrel until the night before I left for the range? Maybe you've seen this before and I'm just being paranoid as it is my first really high-end barrel. Do I continue cleaning as before, try something different (like ??? polish with bore paste or use the finer grits of a Superior Shooting Systems Final Finish :o ), or just shoot the dang thing?

By the way, it took the first three rounds just to get on paper at 100 (to be expected as it's a new build and hadn't been sighted in yet). Those last three I got on paper and even shooting only somewhat deliberately that barrel gave me rounds five and six touching about 1/4 inch below round three :D ... which tempts me to just shoot it.

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It looks like copper to me.....
Is it just in the last bit of the barrel, or is the complete bore like that ..
You shouldn't leave Sweets laying in the bore for more than a few minutes, but cleaning with it often is not going to be a problem for you..
Break out the brushes and have at it till it's all gone, and the barrel will be fine..
 
Tell you what...Just box that barrel up and send it to me. I will clean it and shoot it to see what the outcome is!! Ha!! Like Preacher said, Break out the Brushes and get after it. Nothing harmed in using what you have to get the job done. Besides, Bartlein Barrels are tough...
 
jsmith8918 said:
... or just shoot the dang thing?

IMO, the obsession with "super cleaning" using a combination of chemicals that may or may not be compatible for the purpose of barrel break-in and more time cleaning than shooting has gone way too far. Run a couple of good quality brushes through it and shoot :(
 
Todd DuBose said:
Tell you what...Just box that barrel up and send it to me. I will clean it and shoot it to see what the outcome is!! Ha!! Like Preacher said, Break out the Brushes and get after it. Nothing harmed in using what you have to get the job done. Besides, Bartlein Barrels are tough...

I had a feeling I'd get one of those send-it-to-me replies. ;)
 
I'm glad to see no one (yet) says it looks like I've ruined my barrel. Looks like I need to get to work again with brushing, and perhaps this time switch from the nylon to bronze brushes (with smaller diameter bristles to really get in there) while being aware than the bronze will give me some blue on its own. Thank you, folks, for reassuring me. And I do still welcome any other contributions of advice!
 
When you run a patch of sweets, leave the rod with patch sit where the copper is for a couple of minutes, the brush.

When I get that I use IOSSO or KG-12 paste to get it out.
 
do yourself a favor and get a can of Wipeout. I've been down this road a few times with new custom barrels. Used to drive me crazy running Sweets through the barrel just to find the patch showing no blue while looking down a barrel that looks like yours. Others may not but I swear by Wipeout.
 
Don't become obsessed with cleaning - so far you have spent hours and hours worrying about cleaning the barrel but said nothing about shooting it and how it shoots or it's accuracy.

You will find copper in a new premium barrel, many times, disappears as the barrel is shot and then cleaned (i.e. normal cleaning).

If you keep cleaning the barrel like you are you are bound to ruin it by cleaning it!

Robert
 
rcw3 said:
Don't become obsessed with cleaning - so far you have spent hours and hours worrying about cleaning the barrel but said nothing about shooting it and how it shoots or it's accuracy.

You will find copper in a new premium barrel, many times, disappears as the barrel is shot and then cleaned (i.e. normal cleaning).

If you keep cleaning the barrel like you are you are bound to ruin it by cleaning it!

Robert

I agree with Robert. I have quit breaking in barrels, I simply go out and shoot them and clean them after I have put 100 rounds through the barrel.

People break in barrels for ease of cleaning, so they spend an entire day cleaning it! ???
 
Erik Cortina said:
rcw3 said:
Don't become obsessed with cleaning - so far you have spent hours and hours worrying about cleaning the barrel but said nothing about shooting it and how it shoots or it's accuracy.

You will find copper in a new premium barrel, many times, disappears as the barrel is shot and then cleaned (i.e. normal cleaning).

If you keep cleaning the barrel like you are you are bound to ruin it by cleaning it!

Robert


I agree with Robert. I have quit breaking in barrels, I simply go out and shoot them and clean them after I have put 100 rounds through the barrel.

People break in barrels for ease of cleaning, so they spend an entire day cleaning it! ???


I'm tempted to do just that. This being my first custom barrel, and my first barrel break-in, I subscribed to the idea that I had run across that break-in (though hotly debated) wouldn't hurt and could help the long-term barrel performance. I also checked Bartlein's website and saw that they also had a break-in process for those deciding to try it. So with all of this in mind, I decided to give it a go. It's turning out to be much more time consuming than I expected... but that by itself is not a good enough reason to stop. Damage to the bore and/or crown, however, is something that would cause me to stop... and I've been intentional in trying to avoid both. That being said, I'm open to modifying (or even scrapping) the break-in process from this point forward and just start shooting it if that's really the best choice.
 
rcw3 said:
Don't become obsessed with cleaning - so far you have spent hours and hours worrying about cleaning the barrel but said nothing about shooting it and how it shoots or it's accuracy.

You will find copper in a new premium barrel, many times, disappears as the barrel is shot and then cleaned (i.e. normal cleaning).

If you keep cleaning the barrel like you are you are bound to ruin it by cleaning it!

Robert

+1
 
SS barrels don't rust they oxidize to what looks like a white color, I would get a good bronze brush and let the chemicals work some first..
 
raythemanroe said:
SS barrels don't rust they oxidize to what looks like a white color, I would get a good bronze brush and let the chemicals work some first..

That's good news. So I think I'll brush a few times with a good bronze brush, clean it up, and resume shooting, moving to a much more abbreviated break-in from this point forward. Perhaps something like: move up to shooting three rounds, clean, three more, clean, four, clean, four, clean, then ten, clean, then call it good. That will have given me a break-in with a total of 30 rounds and I'll only be cleaning it five more times before I'm done. (I've already cleaned it seven times thoroughly thus far.)
 
Erik Cortina said:
rcw3 said:
Don't become obsessed with cleaning - so far you have spent hours and hours worrying about cleaning the barrel but said nothing about shooting it and how it shoots or it's accuracy.

You will find copper in a new premium barrel, many times, disappears as the barrel is shot and then cleaned (i.e. normal cleaning).

If you keep cleaning the barrel like you are you are bound to ruin it by cleaning it!

Robert

I agree with Robert. I have quit breaking in barrels, I simply go out and shoot them and clean them after I have put 100 rounds through the barrel.

People break in barrels for ease of cleaning, so they spend an entire day cleaning it! ???

heh, totally agree. Break-in is a total myth, IMO. Just shoot it already.
 
jsmith8918 said:
Did I somehow ruin my brand new Bartlein barrel?

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Many of us have obsessed over babying a new barrel, especially a 'custom' one. But you're overthinking this, and spending valuable range time -- time you will never get back -- by excessive cleaning. I will never again "break in" a barrel using any sort of regimen for just that purpose. Shoot the rifle, and then clean it later.

Hell's bells, one time, per a procedure described in a long-since defunct gun magazine, I used a combination of JB bore paste, boiling water, dish soap, and a hell of a lot of elbow grease. Rifle shot great when I was done, but it may have been better before (or not, not way to know). One thing for sure, I ended up with a cracked sink when the soap-slippery barrel fell out of my dish-gloved hands. Still pisses me off thinking about that. Spent $150 on a new sink, and several hours installing it, faucet, etc.

Get a coated rod (I like Dewey), a good bore guide, clean with the muzzle angled down, and skip the brushes altogether. As to that one-way crap, leave it for city streets; life is too short for that sort of drudgery, and no one can prove it makes a damn bit of difference.

Spend your time shooting and learning how to read conditions, what your scope adjustments (come-ups) mean, and how to build a solid shooting position -- whether from the bench or otherwise.

5.5 hours at the range and you fired less than 10 shots? Promise us you'll never waste your time like that again. And don't weigh your primers either! :o
 
Many of us have obsessed over babying a new barrel, especially a 'custom' one. But you're overthinking this, and spending valuable range time -- time you will never get back -- by excessive cleaning. I will never again "break in" a barrel using any sort of regimen for just that purpose. Shoot the rifle, and then clean it later.

Hell's bells, one time, per a procedure described in a long-since defunct gun magazine, I used a combination of JB bore paste, boiling water, dish soap, and a hell of a lot of elbow grease. Rifle shot great when I was done, but it may have been better before (or not, not way to know). One thing for sure, I ended up with a cracked sink when the soap-slippery barrel fell out of my dish-gloved hands. Still pisses me off thinking about that. Spent $150 on a new sink, and several hours installing it, faucet, etc.

Get a coated rod (I like Dewey), a good bore guide, clean with the muzzle angled down, and skip the brushes altogether. As to that one-way crap, leave it for city streets; life is too short for that sort of drudgery, and no one can prove it makes a damn bit of difference.

Spend your time shooting and learning how to read conditions, what your scope adjustments (come-ups) mean, and how to build a solid shooting position -- whether from the bench or otherwise.

5.5 hours at the range and you fired less than 10 shots? Promise us you'll never waste your time like that again. And don't weigh your primers either! :o

That sounds so attractive right now. I just didn't want to give up on this if I should keep at it. But if long-time shooters on this accuracy forum are telling me it's ok to stop, I trust the judgment of folks more experienced in this area than I am. That's what I want to do, but I didn't want to do it just because it's what I want to do! I didn't want to take the easy road just because it's easy. But if long-time accuracy-minded shooters with many more years of experience in breaking in barrels have found these labor-intensive and time-consuming barrel break-in procedures to be a bad investment of time, I would be wise to learn from others who have been down this road before and pitched it all. If the voice of experience tells me to just go shoot it, then I welcome such advice enthusiastically!
 
+2 to what Robert said. Shoot more, clean less you will be a lot more happy and so will your barrel. ;D
Lloyd
 

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