oldman1951
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Where can I buy a barrel for a Ruger 77 in .224? It will need to have a fast twist.
Ruger barrel
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Dusty Stevens
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Any gunsmith who will take in a ruger can put you a barrel on there in any twist you want. @Stan Taylor has a pretty reliable supply of barrels and can do that no problem
If you mean a prefit anyone that makes barrels can make one for you. If you want one installed in the conventional manner you either buy a barrel blank and take it to your 'Smith or you drop the rifle off at your 'Smith and tell him what you want and pay the man when he calls and tells you it is done!
.224 what?
If 224 valkyrie then the bolt face is the biggest issue.
223 is .384", ppc is .441", 308 is .473"
For a 224 valk you would want a ppc .441" bolt face. Thats commonly found on the 6ppc, 6.5 grendel, 7.62x39, 6.8 spc etc. Other bolt face diameters will require additional machining to open or close them up and not worth it for a ruger m77 (I say this as an m77 lover).
If 224 valkyrie then the bolt face is the biggest issue.
223 is .384", ppc is .441", 308 is .473"
For a 224 valk you would want a ppc .441" bolt face. Thats commonly found on the 6ppc, 6.5 grendel, 7.62x39, 6.8 spc etc. Other bolt face diameters will require additional machining to open or close them up and not worth it for a ruger m77 (I say this as an m77 lover).
Dusty Stevens
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Who makes a ruger pre-fit?
If you tell a barrel maker you want a Ruger Pre-Fit they will all make you one. Off hand E.R. Shaw makes them and sells them under the title of Ruger Precision Rifle. I have a variety of them for a Ruger American. Oh technically the Ruger American is now my oldest sons but I had it for 5 or 6 years before he bought it from me. A lot of barrel makers make them though and list them from time to time but even when the do not list them it just takes a call! In fact when the RAR came on the market I shot an email off to Ruger about how they could be the next Remington 700 Action as a platform for semi-custom rifles if they did not get stupid with their marketing and attempting to build a in house Chassis rifle off it while not sharing a decent stock and bottom metal for the RAR. 2-3 years or so latter they brought the Ruger Precision on to the market. I am giving you the short version. LOL My first degree is in Aviation Material Science and my next is a MBA and I am working on another while working in the health field after too many years in the automotive industry. A decent after market stock and lack of bottom metal holds it back. That is the issue with S&W TC Compass the lack of an after market to support it and lack of decent after market or even TC made stocks limits it. Sadly the market goes for the sure thing and no risk so we have 10,000 small shops making custom parts for Remington 700 and very little of anything else. Boyds stocks are not very good as an alternative.
https://proofresearch.com/proof-pre...-for-the-ruger-precision-rifle-now-available/
https://www.hawkhillcustom.com/store/c13/Ruger_Precision_Rifle_Pre_Fit.html
http://mcgowenbarrel.com/ruger-precision-pre-fit-barrels/
https://criterionbarrels.com/product-category/prefits/ruger-precision-rifle/
https://www.longriflesinc.com/produ...cement-barrel-for-ruger-rpr-custom-cartridges
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2017/11/new-krieger-pre-fit-barrels-for-ruger-precision-rifle/
https://www.shawcustombarrels.com/barrels/price-list-for-barrels-and-services-/164
I listed a few Ruger Pre-Fit makers at the bottom of the thread!
I do think that to an extent, Ruger understands modern marketing. Look at what they did with the RPR. Love it, hate it or feel indifferent towards it, there were no mass-produced chassis rifles on the market when they launched. Extensive use of social media, competitive interaction with new owners, etc would fall under the umbrella of modern marketing. Plus, the RPR was innovative in that it's the only mass produced one on the market with in-line recoil. It's nearly a tube gun. The PC9 is also innovative and was brought to market with modern marketing methods as well.
And thats a barrel nut prefit? Or a short shouldered prefit that still requires a smith to cut the shoulder to headspace it correctly?
Rube Shooter
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Kind of repeating what spife7980 said, these show nothing for a Model 77. OP is looking for something quite specific. Prose is correct McGowan Precision rifle offers prefit barrels for Model 77. Doesn't say if it's a barrel nut prefit of just short shouldered and still needs to be head spaced by smith.
Prose
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Neither. It is a shouldered barrel that is cut to the precise depth. All you do is spin it on. Mine is exactly min spec. I’m sure there are slight variations from one to the next, but for mine it measured perfect. When I asked them about how they spec it, they said that all the actions are within 1 or 2 thou and they get really good results. I’d say they are right on.
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The M77 MKII and the RAR and the Ruger Precision all use the same tenon and threads. I have no experince with the tang saftey M77 in terms of rebarreling one. Keep in mind that Ruger does not use a washer type recoil lug and has flat bottoms on most of their actions prior to the RAR/Precision.
You can add a barrel nut to any action if that is how you want to roll!
The RAR is machined from bar stock not investment cast so that plus the stock use of a barrel nut makes it more user friendly to pre-fit and more likely to be more precise.
Since all surfaces on the RAR are machined into the receivers round bar stock it is faster and cheaper to make and you are more likely to get a product that is less in need of major re-machining. The fat bolt makes for less surface interactions and less total machine time and simpler machine operations. The fewer times you need to switch machines or re-position from one fixture or jig to another the less tolerance stacking occurs. So the fewer operation you need to do and the fewer specialized machines being used the more likely you are to get CNC as an option. It is a classic example of Remington 700 and the saw cut receiver face instead of being precision machined.
To hit price point you have to be mindful of machine operations in total. Man hours. Machine hours. Profit margin. Price point you want to hit. If the design is a very smart design you can build it cheaply and have hi levels of precision. You have to really put a lot of thought though into what is a must have and what is not a must have. The simpler the design the less machine time you need and the more precision you can design in because you can now afford to use more very precise and consistent machinery.Intricate designs with lots of complications have to go. Often a part that would be made from a forging with lots of machine operations like a bolt body with intergral lugs and handle will be broken up into a lot of tiny parts made from castings, billets, round bar stock, MIM etc and built up into a finished bolt from many times the number of parts which greatly reduces cost!
Keep in mind the Remington 700 and the Savage 110 were the Ruger American, Savage Axis of their day. They were both designed to be much cheaper to make than the Mauser, Springfield 1903 and Model 70. Sadly today they are clearly not cheap enough and do not have the profit margin that the OEM's think they need in spite of costing 3X as much as they did 20 years ago with terrible surface finish, cheap stocks and lower precision and quality control compared to 20 years ago. It has always amazed me how the companies in Japan that make rifles manage to make them with high end materials and superior precision and quality control compared to the USA and can sell them at such great price points to others that important them under different brands and sell them at a profit! Japan has no natural resources and has to important every raw material. They have high rates of pay, high taxes, strict environmental laws, and cost of living is high as well. Japan is not China or Russia.
You can add a barrel nut to any action if that is how you want to roll!
The RAR is machined from bar stock not investment cast so that plus the stock use of a barrel nut makes it more user friendly to pre-fit and more likely to be more precise.
Since all surfaces on the RAR are machined into the receivers round bar stock it is faster and cheaper to make and you are more likely to get a product that is less in need of major re-machining. The fat bolt makes for less surface interactions and less total machine time and simpler machine operations. The fewer times you need to switch machines or re-position from one fixture or jig to another the less tolerance stacking occurs. So the fewer operation you need to do and the fewer specialized machines being used the more likely you are to get CNC as an option. It is a classic example of Remington 700 and the saw cut receiver face instead of being precision machined.
To hit price point you have to be mindful of machine operations in total. Man hours. Machine hours. Profit margin. Price point you want to hit. If the design is a very smart design you can build it cheaply and have hi levels of precision. You have to really put a lot of thought though into what is a must have and what is not a must have. The simpler the design the less machine time you need and the more precision you can design in because you can now afford to use more very precise and consistent machinery.Intricate designs with lots of complications have to go. Often a part that would be made from a forging with lots of machine operations like a bolt body with intergral lugs and handle will be broken up into a lot of tiny parts made from castings, billets, round bar stock, MIM etc and built up into a finished bolt from many times the number of parts which greatly reduces cost!
Keep in mind the Remington 700 and the Savage 110 were the Ruger American, Savage Axis of their day. They were both designed to be much cheaper to make than the Mauser, Springfield 1903 and Model 70. Sadly today they are clearly not cheap enough and do not have the profit margin that the OEM's think they need in spite of costing 3X as much as they did 20 years ago with terrible surface finish, cheap stocks and lower precision and quality control compared to 20 years ago. It has always amazed me how the companies in Japan that make rifles manage to make them with high end materials and superior precision and quality control compared to the USA and can sell them at such great price points to others that important them under different brands and sell them at a profit! Japan has no natural resources and has to important every raw material. They have high rates of pay, high taxes, strict environmental laws, and cost of living is high as well. Japan is not China or Russia.
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butchlambert
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mauser284,
Thanks for your history lesson. I had not a clue of anything like this until I read it.
Thanks for your history lesson. I had not a clue of anything like this until I read it.
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