Rough day on the range so far.

[Paula Marie Hamilton]

First tournament for John in Smallbore and he could not hit a 10 for his life. Combine the 9 pin no tap he had going with his feet slipping in standing and you get a first tournament score if 540. John said he felt like he disappointed you guys. I'm trying to do some damage control as he has 3p later today and standing 60 tomorrow. It's hard to tell them the 9 will go 10 with more than 2 weeks practice.

Nice group of 9s

 

[Dusty Stevens]

He hasnt disappointed anybody. Tell him to keep going you cant give up til the last shot

 

[Paula Marie Hamilton]

I never saw a string og nines like he had. He will get there. Now it's almost 3p time.

 

[watercam]

This my mantra when I get flustered on the line - "The Grass is Green, the Sun is Warm". Tell him to take a breath and ENJOY HIMSELF. He is only competing with himself.

 

[riflewoman]

I took a look at a 3x20 results page that had your son. His score was 537-12. Decent score for someone starting. I have a few comments. His prone was 187 and standing was 165. He should concentrate on standing primarily as his performance there is holding him back. He should be able to progress in six months so he can shoot in the upper 170 to low 180s with confidence. His prone also could use some development in his prone. 5 points there should be do-able in six months. I bet a lot of this is position related and with a new rifle the riflevadjustments are likely still being worked out. Here a SCATT system will help. So my recommendation is to use holding drills and work on rifle setup at home. When at the range concentrate on standing 80% then prone 20% with a kneeling “20” for dessert!

Hope it helps.

 

[PatMiles]

Stuff happens, he's a human being, a fine one at that. Go gather the boy up and drill into his head the fact that the tournament IS HISTORY! He can't change a thing about it but he can learn from it. Review what went wrong and what to do to rectify those items. Review what went right and re-enforce those items. Tell him to come out of this a better, stronger shooter!

 

[JFM33]

One of the most helpful books I have read was Lenny Bassham "With winning in mind".It will improve his shooting if he applies the principles in the book.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1885221479/?tag=accuratescom-20

 

[Uthink Uknow]

I’ve read Lenny’s book and I agree wholeheartedly. And I’ve read it more than once.

 

[riflewoman]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0965578003/?tag=accuratescom-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0883170523/?tag=accuratescom-20

Are two books that cover the aspects of developing positions for 3-p ISSF shooting. The second link is older but much of the detail will be the same. The key here for standing is that the position is very dependent on physique and that is explained in these books.

 

[Paula Marie Hamilton]

I took a look at a 3x20 results page that had your son. His score was 537-12. Decent score for someone starting. I have a few comments. His prone was 187 and standing was 165. He should concentrate on standing primarily as his performance there is holding him back. He should be able to progress in six months so he can shoot in the upper 170 to low 180s with confidence. His prone also could use some development in his prone. 5 points there should be do-able in six months. I bet a lot of this is position related and with a new rifle the riflevadjustments are likely still being worked out. Here a SCATT system will help. So my recommendation is to use holding drills and work on rifle setup at home. When at the range concentrate on standing 80% then prone 20% with a kneeling “20” for dessert!

Hope it helps.

They have a new unsealed concert floor, you could watch his back foot slide and him fighting it. He figuredout he could lick his fingers and rub the soles in the last standing group. I am willing to bet you a beer, next event will be 560-70s. If you doubt that then come to the NRA smallbore in July. By that time he will have tested ammo, got use to the gun, and back on track. Come on beer is on me.

 

[Falfan2017]

I dqed all 4 targets at my first benchrest match. Looks like he did just fine.

 

[JFrank]

I learn far more from a poor performance than a good one.

I also carry white chaulk to outline my ideal foot position when shooting my pistol off hand.

Shoot Small
SPJ

 

[riflewoman]

Find some kind of a tacky paste that John can apply to his shoes. Keep it in his shooting box. One possible future problem fixed.

That would be artificial support and will get him DQd.

 

[PatMiles]

That would be artificial support and will get him DQd.

Oops, not familiar with the rules.

 

[JFrank]

I’ve had days when I couldn’t hit my butt with both hands

 

[joshb]

New gun jitters! He’ll get over it!

 

[Paula Marie Hamilton]

Well finished day 1. He is currently 3rd in the state match. Again even in street shoes he had some slipping, but he stopped & "licked" his shoes. Lesson learned. So 553.9 in 3p sporter is not bad. Have some things to work on, but if the weather stays warm it will be barn time.

Now help for tomorrow. He has standing 60 tomorrow, we know the shoes are going to slip so can he have a towel on the floor by his stand to wipe his shoes as it gets slick, or are there any other ideas.

Thanks

 

[Dusty Stevens]

@riflewoman is an expert on the rules. She will be along shortly.

 

[Acyr]

Paula remind him it was a gift! He doesn't owe us anything! He doesn't need us in his head, he has enough to think about. New rifle takes awhile to get used to.

 

[riflewoman]

Under USAS / ISSF rules mats are ok to stand on...so perhaps a VERY thin entrance mat from Home Depot might work? I dunno.

However, if a foot is slipping, that tells me the position is unstable and will eventually be limiting. There’s a tension pushing the shooter. The weight of the rifle and shooter should be about 60-40 between the feet. The purpose of the “back bend and body twist” is to distribute and balance the weight over the hips. Thin lanky shooters have to do more bend and twist.

The current thought on the standing position seems to violate physiology. There are rules on what the rifle can touch but the current standing position doesn’t make sense. The spread out rear leg has way too much tension and not enough weight. The “force diagram” in the illustration requires that the tension in the rear leg be reacted by your core muscles. So variations in that tension will disturb the shot. It doesn’t make sense to me from an engineering point of view.