I have been reading this, is this possible? wouldn't the base have to be perfectly straight?
remember i am idiot?LOL
remember i am idiot?LOL
rings that don't need lapping?
- Thread starter hillbillydruggist
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Adam in WI
Practically lives here
I use mostly Talley rings. They claim lapping is not necessary because of their tolerances, which is all well and good except that they can't control how straight the receiver is that they're being screwed into.
I lap anyway.
I lap anyway.
BoydAllen
Gold $$ Contributor
Virtually all of those that speak of rings, other than the Burris ones with self aligning inserts, that do not need to be lapped are telling us what is good enough according to their standards, but I am not interested in their standards. I have my own, developed from the experience of lapping top quality rings on one piece or even integral bases and seeing where the first cuts of the lap were and were not. When perfection is within your grasp, why settle?
I'm not familiar with the Burris rings, I assume they are similar to an Optilock setup with a floating insert?
In my limited experience I have always lapped a 'rigid' tupe ring, but the last few scopes I've mounted I have used Optilocks, sans lapping.
In my limited experience I have always lapped a 'rigid' tupe ring, but the last few scopes I've mounted I have used Optilocks, sans lapping.
Raythemanroe
Bullet Whisperer
I feel that a ring/base/rail/action/receiver screw holes probability of all being concentric is a long shot even with top quality components. A ring manufacturer can't guarantee that the receiver will be in spec and so on. The only way to be sure is to lap it yourself. That being said I buy Burris rings, in my opinion the polymer inserts have more benefits than just the ease of mounting.
Ray
Ray
dmoran
Donovan Moran
Yes they use inserts also, and have been widely used in the shooting industry for +20-years (dating back into the 1990's for myself).
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Whisky Tahoe Foxtrot
Silver $$ Contributor
+1 for Burris Signature rings
+100 for Burris Signature XTR rings that come with 0, 5, 10, and 20 MOA inserts that can add or subtract from your rail to give you exactly the elevation you need. In the scary case where your windage is way off, you can rotate the inserts to also offset windage however in that case something is likely wrong with your rail or rail mount screws or both.
+100 for Burris Signature XTR rings that come with 0, 5, 10, and 20 MOA inserts that can add or subtract from your rail to give you exactly the elevation you need. In the scary case where your windage is way off, you can rotate the inserts to also offset windage however in that case something is likely wrong with your rail or rail mount screws or both.
I don't know why anyone uses anything else.
Ledd Slinger
Silver $$ Contributor
Only rings you'll find that dont need lapping are the rings on a high quality one piece mount. But I still lap and bed them to get perfect fit and the highest level of grip on the scope tube.
Burris rings work, but they are not what I would call high quality. I've owned the Burris Signature and XTR insert rings in the past. For a bench gun poking holes in paper, or a treestand/blind hunting rifle, they work fine and will hold zero. For a western hunting rifle that could see some heavy use and abuse in rugged terrain, I won't trust a cheap plastic insert to stay put if a person takes a hard fall where the rifle lands on the scope. For those rifles, I use a high quality one piece mount lapped and bedded for a perfect fit and grip. Good quality beefy 4 and 6 screw rings from companies like Seekins that are lapped and bedded also work very well for handling abuse. Just my personal preference.
If a person is not familiar with proper lapping and bedding of scope rings and does not wish to attempt it or have it done for them, then the Burris insert rings are probably the next best thing.
Burris rings work, but they are not what I would call high quality. I've owned the Burris Signature and XTR insert rings in the past. For a bench gun poking holes in paper, or a treestand/blind hunting rifle, they work fine and will hold zero. For a western hunting rifle that could see some heavy use and abuse in rugged terrain, I won't trust a cheap plastic insert to stay put if a person takes a hard fall where the rifle lands on the scope. For those rifles, I use a high quality one piece mount lapped and bedded for a perfect fit and grip. Good quality beefy 4 and 6 screw rings from companies like Seekins that are lapped and bedded also work very well for handling abuse. Just my personal preference.
If a person is not familiar with proper lapping and bedding of scope rings and does not wish to attempt it or have it done for them, then the Burris insert rings are probably the next best thing.
JEFFPPC
Gold $$ Contributor
Never lapped a set of rings in my life. Dont believe in it. I do pretty well. Never heard anyone proclaim they did well because they lapped their rings after a match.To me it's one of those he does so I must need to do it activities. You lap rings, I will weigh primers, I can and have documented what that does for me.
Ledd Slinger
Silver $$ Contributor
You can document on paper what properly mounted scope rings do for you as well.
You can also document the loss of value on an optic if you try to sell with ring marks on the tube.
jghoghunter
Gold $$ Contributor
I have never fallen on a burris ring. But the have held up to a Barrett 50 cal.. Just what ive experienced.
jghoghunter
Gold $$ Contributor
Pretty sure thats coming from someone who has never used them.
They are not going to turn.
Raythemanroe
Bullet Whisperer
Ray
Raythemanroe
Bullet Whisperer
I feel that the polymer inserts do a better job of preventing the scope movement.
Ray
RaySo do I! But only when installed correctly -- see my post a minute ago in the "4-wheeler scope" thread. It is imperative you de-oil the Burris rings, inserts and your tube. You also cannot just "torque and forget," because the inserts will often shift slightly in the rings from recoil. It is important that you re-check screw tightness a time or two after shooting a few dozen rounds.
Not a big deal to me, and I love the way the Burris Signatures prevent creases and marring to your scope.
I took my 7mm-08 that got bounced so badly in a 4-wheeler for 8 days last fall the the range yesterday, to see if the zero had moved. The NF NXS 5.5-22x50 mounted in the regular (not XTR) Signature rings had not moved at all.
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