rimfire barrel recommendations
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butchlambert
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LMAO very good question!
Brians356
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That might matter if I had suggested it demonstrated anything at all about Lapua ammo. Now, if you still need to know, you're free to ask him.
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Brians356
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You need to raise the bar a tad, you really do!
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butchlambert
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Brian,
Not disputing you as Layne is a gun writer, but if he is that good, how much has he won? This is about barrels, not a gun writers opinion on ammo.
Naa. I just think it's funny when guys hang on the word of someone who who gives out old news. Rimfire BR smiths have been engraving to a certain driving band for years, it's nothing new.
Brians356
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<sigh> Who said he was "that good"? Again, I offered no editorial. I'm just the piano player here. It struck me unusual that he used only various Lapua loads, perhaps because I'd never run across any myself.
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When it's made easy I do. Back to barrels please. The thread was about barrels, not chambers.
I'll steer.
I have been very very happy with the Shilen Ratchet I chose for the most recent rimfire I had built.
Whether you agree or disagree, I followed some of Calfee's methods on the blank, and it performed very well. I pushed probably 60 slugs through it, and when I sent the barrel to the smith, it was left in more-or-less the same contour, an R5, that it was from Shilen.
The blank was chambered with a carbide "22 JGS Match" reamer...that's a touch shorter, and a different leade angle than a Bentz. Basically, it's a good bit longer than an Anschutz or Lilja, but it's shorter than a Bentz, and WAY shorter than most sporting chambers.
The relatively blunt 0035 CCI engraves pretty deeply, but it will extract okay. Everything else that I have used (SK Rifle Match, Eley Match & Club, Wolf ME, RWS R50) has engraved WELL, but extracts easily.
I imagine I am sacrificing some barrel life to the shorter chambers, and I have stainless instead of the hard CM Anschutz uses, so maybe I will only get 40,000 rounds of life. Then again, I have a 2-degree leade where they are usually 1 or less. Notably, the Lilja, Winchester 52, and Calfee's second reamer are all 2-degree. Not that that is necessarily the reason, but it is true that those chambers have seen "some" success....the success is at least indicative that the leade angle is not a problem.
The bore of the Shilen was extremely smooth...more than I expect for a rimfire blank. I will comment though, that it was NOT as "unchecked" as a Bartlein or Krieger CF blanks. Whether the tight/loose spots are a function of internal finish, or bore diameter, I will never know, but the "push" of a slug was not as buttery smooth as the above two.
That being said, this barrel flat hammers. It's hard to imagine how a blow back .22 could shoot so well, and it's not the equal of it's Annie stall mate, but it's close enough that I think it could be competitive in BR if it had a tuner on it.
I guess a scope might help also.
I have been very very happy with the Shilen Ratchet I chose for the most recent rimfire I had built.
Whether you agree or disagree, I followed some of Calfee's methods on the blank, and it performed very well. I pushed probably 60 slugs through it, and when I sent the barrel to the smith, it was left in more-or-less the same contour, an R5, that it was from Shilen.
The blank was chambered with a carbide "22 JGS Match" reamer...that's a touch shorter, and a different leade angle than a Bentz. Basically, it's a good bit longer than an Anschutz or Lilja, but it's shorter than a Bentz, and WAY shorter than most sporting chambers.
The relatively blunt 0035 CCI engraves pretty deeply, but it will extract okay. Everything else that I have used (SK Rifle Match, Eley Match & Club, Wolf ME, RWS R50) has engraved WELL, but extracts easily.
I imagine I am sacrificing some barrel life to the shorter chambers, and I have stainless instead of the hard CM Anschutz uses, so maybe I will only get 40,000 rounds of life. Then again, I have a 2-degree leade where they are usually 1 or less. Notably, the Lilja, Winchester 52, and Calfee's second reamer are all 2-degree. Not that that is necessarily the reason, but it is true that those chambers have seen "some" success....the success is at least indicative that the leade angle is not a problem.
The bore of the Shilen was extremely smooth...more than I expect for a rimfire blank. I will comment though, that it was NOT as "unchecked" as a Bartlein or Krieger CF blanks. Whether the tight/loose spots are a function of internal finish, or bore diameter, I will never know, but the "push" of a slug was not as buttery smooth as the above two.
That being said, this barrel flat hammers. It's hard to imagine how a blow back .22 could shoot so well, and it's not the equal of it's Annie stall mate, but it's close enough that I think it could be competitive in BR if it had a tuner on it.
I guess a scope might help also.
Brians356
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Uh oh! You stepped over the line from strictly "barrels" into "chambers". Tsk tsk. Rocket on the way - look out ...I'll steer.
I have been very very happy with the Shilen Ratchet I chose for the most recent rimfire I had built.
Whether you agree or disagree, I followed some of Calfee's methods on the blank, and it performed very well. I pushed probably 60 slugs through it, and when I sent the barrel to the smith, it was left in more-or-less the same contour, an R5, that it was from Shilen.
The blank was chambered with a carbide "22 JGS Match" reamer...that's a touch shorter, and a different leade angle than a Bentz. Basically, it's a good bit longer than an Anschutz or Lilja, but it's shorter than a Bentz, and WAY shorter than most sporting chambers.
The relatively blunt 0035 CCI engraves pretty deeply, but it will extract okay. Everything else that I have used (SK Rifle Match, Eley Match & Club, Wolf ME, RWS R50) has engraved WELL, but extracts easily.
I imagine I am sacrificing some barrel life to the shorter chambers, and I have stainless instead of the hard CM Anschutz uses, so maybe I will only get 40,000 rounds of life. Then again, I have a 2-degree leade where they are usually 1 or less. Notably, the Lilja, Winchester 52, and Calfee's second reamer are all 2-degree. Not that that is necessarily the reason, but it is true that those chambers have seen "some" success....the success is at least indicative that the leade angle is not a problem.
The bore of the Shilen was extremely smooth...more than I expect for a rimfire blank. I will comment though, that it was NOT as "unchecked" as a Bartlein or Krieger CF blanks. Whether the tight/loose spots are a function of internal finish, or bore diameter, I will never know, but the "push" of a slug was not as buttery smooth as the above two.
That being said, this barrel flat hammers. It's hard to imagine how a blow back .22 could shoot so well, and it's not the equal of it's Annie stall mate, but it's close enough that I think it could be competitive in BR if it had a tuner on it.
I guess a scope might help also.
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BoydAllen
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Since I started this, and by the way thanks to everyone for your responses, I have another related question. My friend's friends have decided that for their informal round robin score shoots that they will not allow tuners. What should his barrel length be? I fully realize that no one who shots registered matches with rifles that do not have a weight limit does it this way but I was asked, so I am asking you. Thanks,
Boyd
Boyd
If they dont allow the use of tuners just about any 40x or 54 anni will compete just fine.
Boyd, it likely depends on the distance being shot. For 50-100 yards, an "18" SHOULD be more accurate. However, 18" -24" should be dandy on any given Sunday. And, again, the accuracy is more related to the barrel AND ammo combo. When you say they will not allow a tuner, I assume you mean a mechanical tuner. If so, I would encourage them to try the slip-on rubber dampener, and play with it about .25" incremental placement until they see the "round" group.
Where, exactly, do you come up with these accuracy revalations ???
For the record, there is not a single BR smith in the known galaxy that is fitting barrels anywhere under 20", exactly opposite. Most prefer a minimum of 23" with the exception of sporter class rifles( where everybody still goes as long as weight permits) with recent trends pushing to 27" . Never owned one or seen one by a top shooter under about 23".My latest 10 1/2 lb gun, smithed by a top smith/shooter is 26" +. Facts are usually better than speculations.
http://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of-week/gunweek078/
Seems that the Benchmark 2 groove 16.5 has merit. I would go this route. Great article in guns of the week
Friedrich’s Record-Setting Rimfires
ARA Rimfire Benchrest Rigs -- The Relentless Pursuit of Perfection
Seems that the Benchmark 2 groove 16.5 has merit. I would go this route. Great article in guns of the week
Friedrich’s Record-Setting Rimfires
ARA Rimfire Benchrest Rigs -- The Relentless Pursuit of Perfection
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