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rifle weight for competitve offhand

I thought this might make a good topic for discussion on a winters day in January. I got to thinking about how so many rifles today, both smallbore and bigbore are made as light as possible. The light weight is used as a marketing tool. But is this best for offhand shooting? If you need to carry your gun 10 miles over hill and dale to your favourite hunting spot I would agree. But I'd like to keep this topic to competitive club shooting. If someone wants to start another topic on best weight for hunting rifle that might be good. We can use more topics on this board.

Many competitions have maximum weights for rifles. I think silhouette is something like 8 1/2 and 10+. Nobody has minimum weight. It's been my experience that a heavier weight rifle is easier to hold steady and has a smoother movement. Something about inertia. A light weight rifle moves more herky jerky. (that is a technical term). This is all within reason for the shooters physical ability.

Now there are other important features too, such as a good trigger, balance and fit (including a full pistol grip). But I want to stay with weight for now.

Also a bit muzzle heavy has seemed better for me. Seems to effect inertia.

I got to thinking about this the other day while contemplating a rifle change. At 67 I am finding my Martini w/ scope a bit much in prone. I struggle to get off a 20 round string plus foulers and sighters. Kneeling and offhand are not a concern yet. (getting up out of kneeling is but that is another story.) I got out of the safe an old rifle I shot as a youngster before getting a true target rifle. It weighs 7 3/4 pounds. I tried some dry firing with it. Prone wasn't bad, but offhand I was all over the place. It balances further back in the hands and is much lighter than my Martini. It also doesn't have a full pistol grip. It is excellent for hunting, but not for offhand target shooting.

My personal solution for now is weight lifting. I am not interested in buying another rifle at this time, although the Anshutz 1912 or 2012 are tempting.

So I guess my opinion (and only an opinion) is that very few of the newer rifles are suitable for competitive shooting. I would suggest not buying a rifle specifically for for competition but take what you got and see what people are using in the competition you are considering before making a purchase. and then maybe a used rifle such as an Anshutz rather than buying the latest super lightweight g-wiz rifle. The older Anshutz 3p rifles fit and balance far outweigh any loss of accuracy they might have due to age. If you can't hold on target it doesn't matter how accurate the rifle is.
 
RichinKansas said:
getting up out of kneeling is but that is another story.

haha its always fun to watch other people get out of kneeling...

anyway, specifically what kind of lightweight rifles are you referring to? Anschutz guns certainly aren't getting much lighter (except the new midget-barreled variety)

-Mark
 
I'm just talking about weight, not a specific make rifle. In general, I feel staying near to the weight limit set by the specific competition is better. However I do believe a young person and many adults may find starting with a bit less weight and moving up in weight with experience may be best. But in general a 5 pound rifle will be harder to shoot offhand than a 6 pound. A 7 pound easier than a 6 pound with all else being equal. Many older rifles may be better suited to competitive shooting than many of the newer light ones. And for a used price you might get a gun better suited to competitive offhand. But there are new ones that are heavier such as Anshutz you mention. But many companies seem to make sporters as light as possible as that seems to be the in thing. Just like adding the word "Tactical" seems to be the rage also.
 
I shoot NCAA rifle and almost all competitors there shoot heavy smallbore guns (14ish pounds). For beginners, lighter guns are more bearable, but once a shooter has the required endurance a heavy gun will be beneficial. I've experienced this first hand when I started shooting. Heavier guns damp movement and recoil better. Older used anschutz guns are a great deal for people getting started. I don't really know much about the sporters though...

some of this 'tacticool' stuff irritates me as well. I held a loaded AR15 carbine at a recent gun show - it had to weigh 13 pounds. good job guys...that'll make a great $2000 club :-\

-Mark
 
Silhouette shooting (all offhand): a little muzzle heavy is good. The maximum weight is a good idea for stability but too much muzzle weight is tough in the wind. A lighter front end comes back to target quicker but won't stay as still. As everything is a tradeoff; trigger control is the key.
 
When I got back to shooting competitive (local) .22's, it took some getting use to with the light weight rifles after close to 35 years of shooting competitive traditional muzzle loading rifles that weigh up and over 8 to 12 pounds, and where muzzle heavy was/is considered good for target shooting in that sport.

These days since I'm only shooting on a local level with my .22 rifles, the use of a sling has made a big difference using these lighter rimfire rifles for shooting offhand.

I know there are shoots where you can't use a sling - but with these light .22's I'd be lost with one.
 
msnations said:
I shoot NCAA rifle and almost all competitors there shoot heavy smallbore guns (14ish pounds). For beginners, lighter guns are more bearable, but once a shooter has the required endurance a heavy gun will be beneficial. I've experienced this first hand when I started shooting. Heavier guns damp movement and recoil better. Older used anschutz guns are a great deal for people getting started. I don't really know much about the sporters though...

some of this 'tacticool' stuff irritates me as well. I held a loaded AR15 carbine at a recent gun show - it had to weigh 13 pounds. good job guys...that'll make a great $2000 club :-\

-Mark


You held a LOADED GUN AT A GUN SHOW???????? You gotta be kidding.
 
LOL. good catch. I meant loaded in the sense that it had many features and add-ons. It actually had a zip tie down the barrel...

-Mark
 

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