Sorry for your problems, TC; I left New York City and New York State decades ago and it was bad then, but it is obviously much worse now. Neither NY nor NJ are places where anyone that owns firearms would prefer to live. Thanks for reminding me why I left.....
Reloading in New York City prohibited
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Upon the posting of one members use of an approved BATFE Metal Powder magizine made me open the open and read the Rule Book from BATFE.....I missed this earlier.
http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2002-3.html
http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2002-3.html
itchyTF
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Wow! I just waded through the ATF link above. It sounds vague enough that every reloader in the country is probably breaking the law.
So, since this stuff is on the books (and has been for a while) anytime they wish to enforce it there will be a lot of instant criminals.
So, since this stuff is on the books (and has been for a while) anytime they wish to enforce it there will be a lot of instant criminals.
i am lucky to have a country house so i do all my tedious brass prep in the city where i live and actual loading in the country on the weekends.
to some of the other comments as to having a handgun in NYC its actually pretty easy to get a premises/target permit in the city a carry is another story and there are only 1500 or so issued. the restrictions for the premises permit are mag restrictions (no more than 10 rounds) and that you can only buy one every three months. you have to get a purchase order to get your gun its valid for 30 days you go buy what you want and then you have 48 hours to bring it to 1 PP to have it registered. its a pain but very doable. wish it was easier and you could get more of them but it is what it is.
to some of the other comments as to having a handgun in NYC its actually pretty easy to get a premises/target permit in the city a carry is another story and there are only 1500 or so issued. the restrictions for the premises permit are mag restrictions (no more than 10 rounds) and that you can only buy one every three months. you have to get a purchase order to get your gun its valid for 30 days you go buy what you want and then you have 48 hours to bring it to 1 PP to have it registered. its a pain but very doable. wish it was easier and you could get more of them but it is what it is.
I would just suggest that you move. I think that everyone that is pro constitution should move from NY and Kalifornia
Not NYC but in 1970 I left San Francisco forever. Only went back on holidays to visit kinfolk. Now that they're all dead and gone, no reason at all to go back. Yup. I voted with my feet. Times were tough for a while but they got straightened out when I finally got a decent paying job.
At the time I left, a certain Diane Feinstein whom we all love to hate was Mayor. The only decent shooting range was closed down because too many houses were in proximity. That range had been there since before World War Two. A greedy developer sued and got it shut down, the land condemned and picked it up for a song. The only other usable range was the San Francisco Police range and the Mayor (not Feinstein) opened it to the public on week ends so that we'd have a place to shoot. When Feinstein became Mayor, she closed that range to the public. That was bad enough but what was worse is there was this busybody old lady across the street from me that stuck her nose in everybody's affairs. She's see me loading my guns into my car and call the cops every time. Seeing a .357 magnum stuck in my face before I could even leave for the range got older than I wanted to put up with. FWIW, after a fewtimes the cops knew it was me, that I was no danger but they weren't too gun friendly as a policy. So, as my then girl friend had moved to Reno, and commuting on the weekends was getting to be a PITA, not to mention expensive, I moved too. FWIW, That girl friend and I have been together ever since with many long years of happy marriage.
In case you haven't heard, not to take this OT, but the Hildabeast has notified the UN that the US WILL sign on to that small arms treaty. The bag has stabbed us in the back.
The only thing I wish for Obama, Clinton and Bloomberg is the a tall tree and some short rope. After all, isn't that the penaly for treason? All I ask is I get to watch.
Paul B.
At the time I left, a certain Diane Feinstein whom we all love to hate was Mayor. The only decent shooting range was closed down because too many houses were in proximity. That range had been there since before World War Two. A greedy developer sued and got it shut down, the land condemned and picked it up for a song. The only other usable range was the San Francisco Police range and the Mayor (not Feinstein) opened it to the public on week ends so that we'd have a place to shoot. When Feinstein became Mayor, she closed that range to the public. That was bad enough but what was worse is there was this busybody old lady across the street from me that stuck her nose in everybody's affairs. She's see me loading my guns into my car and call the cops every time. Seeing a .357 magnum stuck in my face before I could even leave for the range got older than I wanted to put up with. FWIW, after a fewtimes the cops knew it was me, that I was no danger but they weren't too gun friendly as a policy. So, as my then girl friend had moved to Reno, and commuting on the weekends was getting to be a PITA, not to mention expensive, I moved too. FWIW, That girl friend and I have been together ever since with many long years of happy marriage.
In case you haven't heard, not to take this OT, but the Hildabeast has notified the UN that the US WILL sign on to that small arms treaty. The bag has stabbed us in the back.
The only thing I wish for Obama, Clinton and Bloomberg is the a tall tree and some short rope. After all, isn't that the penaly for treason? All I ask is I get to watch.
Paul B.
Pretty amazing. Where are the jackboots and the storm troopers?
I am sure these laws have resulted in a crime free city, with no murders and no stick-ups.
Oh, no?
I am sure these laws have resulted in a crime free city, with no murders and no stick-ups.
Oh, no?
In WA state, a regulations allow a reloader 20 pounds of powder in his house and 50 pounds of powder in each car.
St Thomas Aquinas said that laws are a measure of the balance of power in a society, but which laws are enforced is a more accurate measure.
I was in a gun store when the fire chief comes in [Lot of chiefs and not many Indians] and says, "You have more than one pound of black powder. That is too much."
So the store manager takes the extra black powder to the back room.
Contrast that with the 1934 NFA, laws that prescribe felonies for any violation and get Draconian enforcement.
St Thomas Aquinas said that laws are a measure of the balance of power in a society, but which laws are enforced is a more accurate measure.
I was in a gun store when the fire chief comes in [Lot of chiefs and not many Indians] and says, "You have more than one pound of black powder. That is too much."
So the store manager takes the extra black powder to the back room.
Contrast that with the 1934 NFA, laws that prescribe felonies for any violation and get Draconian enforcement.
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