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Reloading for older .32-20

COLT45SA

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I just bought a gorgeously restored early Winchester Model 1885 low wall in .32-20 caliber. I'm wondering if I have to be concerned about the powders used for reloading due to rhe receiver being built from early steel. I won't be shooting it that much, but at the same time I don't want to be shooting loads that are too heavy for this early rifle.
You should see this thing. It would make you absolutely drool~!
 
I've settled on 4.0(edit 5.0g) of Unique and 90 to 115g cast bullets for my 32-20 Stevens rifles.
 
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I'd say to use loads from the Lyman cast bullet handbook but it says its 32-20 loads are not for use in older guns designed for black powder. Might be best to consult the ASSRA forum. There's some guys there that know everything about old guns like yours.

I recently started loading 32-20. The brass is super thin and easy to ruin.
 
I would start by slugging the bore, then go from there.
You won’t harm that action with any published book loads. Even the HV listings are not crazy pressures.
I looked up the pressure for the .32-20 and found it to be 16,000 psi. Re-chambering to something like a .32 H&R Magnum could be a possibility. It has a pressure of 21.000 psi
 
I looked up the pressure for the .32-20 and found it to be 16,000 psi. Re-chambering to something like a .32 H&R Magnum could be a possibility. It has a pressure of 21.000 psi
It might hold up to the pressure of reasonable loads, you will need to set the barrel back as the 32-20 is technically a bottle neck with a larger diameter body.

There really is no gain going to the 32 H&R, you lose case capacity and more or less end up shooting the same bullets slower at higher pressures.
 
In my Stevens #45 on a 44-1/2 action in 32-20 with delicate little loads I have no problems hitting smaller gongs at 200 yd. My action is strong enough if I wanted to hot rod them but there is really no point.
 
I looked up the pressure for the .32-20 and found it to be 16,000 psi. Re-chambering to something like a .32 H&R Magnum could be a possibility. It has a pressure of 21.000 psi
There is no sense in rechambering the 32-20 if you want to hot rod it. The 32HR and the 327 Federal only wish they could do what the 32-20 can do in a modern action. The 32-20/30-20 will give results on par with the 30-221 class cartridge.
 
If you're concerned about the steel in your Low Wall, use the Lyman 32-20 handgun data.
The 1885 was made to handle some serious cartridges I have doubts about Lyman's 32-20 rifle data being too much, but better off safe than sorry.

When loading the 32-20 it is best to seat the bullet and then crimp.
 
I looked up the pressure for the .32-20 and found it to be 16,000 psi. Re-chambering to something like a .32 H&R Magnum could be a possibility. It has a pressure of 21.000 psi
32-20 is rated up to 30,000 psi.

Looking at the book data Cbashooter posted pics of (in post #4), the 3rd and 4th pic show data up to 28,000 psi.

Maybe 16000 CUP ??

There is no accurate formula to convert CUP to PSI.
 
SAAMI pressure is 16,000 CUP, PSI would not be that different, certainly not almost double. A good comparison would be 38 Special, one of the few pistol rounds that is listed both ways, CUP and Piezo transducer at 17,000. Right where most Blackpowder pistol cartridges listed.

The above data looks like it’s from Sharpe’s book, pressure listed may or may not be safe, written long before strong and weak action loads were separated that exceeded SAAMI guidelines.

Pistol pressure data starts on page 9.

If you balance that out against 25-20 pressures, it gets real confusing, same case is rated 28,000 and was also available and very popular in the Low Wall. Note that the 32-20 is more often considered a pistol cartridge, while the 25-20 is considered a rifle cartridge. 28,000 PSI is inline with Blackpowder rifle cartridges.

The 1885 action is extremely strong as designed. The problem is it was designed as the High Wall. The Low Wall was more or less an after thought.

Small cartridges like the rimfire and pistol cartridges of the day are awkward to load in the High Wall, so the solution was to cut about 1/3 of the frame off that supports the breech block. Severely weakening the action.

They don’t seem to have catastrophic failures without cracking the frame at the mortise first, shooting heavy loads. It’s not the chamber pressure directly that is the problem. It’s the bolt thrust against a breech block that is no longer supported. The metallurgy is just not up to high pressure.

It is fine with Blackpowder pistol and smaller rifle load pressures but like a 1st generation Colt single action, it did not make the transition to the pressures of smokeless powder without problems.

SAAMI pressures reflect this in Blackpowder cartridges in the smokeless world.

As far as brass strength of 32-20, same case is used for 218 Bee, 40,000 psi + is not a problem.

Plenty of things to think about.
 
If a low wall had a liner installed from recent years, couldn't the modern steel of the chamber in the liner handle some pretty high pressure cartridges~?
Finding brass for the .32-20 has really become a PITA, and if I re-chamber I want to do it one of the modern highly accurate cartridges.
 
If a low wall had a liner installed from recent years, couldn't the modern steel of the chamber in the liner handle some pretty high pressure cartridges~?
Finding brass for the .32-20 has really become a PITA, and if I re-chamber I want to do it one of the modern highly accurate cartridges.
The problem is not the strength of the barrel or hoop strength where the barrel threads into the action. It’s the ability of the breech block to remain closed without cracking the action over repeated firings.

The barrel and chamber remain intact, the breechblock, the weak spot, exits to the rear because there is not enough support.
 
Just stick to loads listed with the use of 2400 or unique and you should never have a problem. Work up from start loads, in your rifle and settle for a accurate load instead of going for top FPS.
Thanks for that. As far a fps is concerned I could care less. I'm just looking for something dependable and be fairly accurate.
 
Older data. I was wrong in my original load data,I use 5g. My 310 cadet I use 4g.
I've been loading for the 32-20 for about 35 years. There are some other powders that might shoot a little better but unique is very economical.

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Fantastic. What manuals did they come out of~? I'd like to have the publisher and the manual numbers.
Is there any way I could get you to send me copies of those pages in an email or a PDF file~?
 
In my little Rolling Block I use 8.6 grains of 2400 with 100 grain lead bullets. I don't remember where I found them, but I'm using Remington new brass.
 

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