Recoil management ?

[J_idaho]

Can I get some thoughts about using too much face pressure combined with rear bag fill. I’ve been reading that too much face pressure can cause issues and I use quite a bit of face pressure. My last group I added more fill in rear bag and group shifted quite a bit and conditions didn’t really change.
300wm Christensen arms Mesa
5.5-22 nightforce nxs 2nd focal plane
208 hornady eldm @2776
1st picture zero check 100 yards

1000 yards shooting prone bipod rear bag.

 

[Liven The Dream]

All I can say is your on the right track.
I shoot a SEB Mini and a rear bag. Set up for Tracking Job #1.
Get set Dry fire ? Just when you think that sight picture is Perfect ? Let off you check and see the difference. That is where the Bullet goes most time. Find a balance point .

Not the best answer ,but a road to better shooting.

 

[J_idaho]

All I can say is your on the right track.
I shoot a SEB Mini and a rear bag. Set up for Tracking Job #1.
Get set Dry fire ? Just when you think that sight picture is Perfect ? Let off you check and see the difference. That is where the Bullet goes most time. Find a balance point .

Not the best answer ,but a road to better shooting.

Thanks that’s a good answer. I’m going to keep working on my form. Anything helps when it comes from experienced shooters. I really appreciate the feed back. I am getting to a point where I can see what is me and what is the gun or conditions but I have a long road getting those cold bore shots confidently.

 

[4xforfun]

Good shooting is 50 % load development, 50 % wind reading, 50 % bag manners, and 50 % good components/equipment.

Simple math.

Sorry...it's getting late.

 

[marchx]

Good shooting is 50 % load development, 50 % wind reading, 50 % bag manners, and 50 % good components/equipment.

Simple math.

Sorry...it's getting late.

But the math does not check out. 50%x4=200%. I would swap 50% with 25%.

 

[marchx]

Revenons a nos moutons.

The cheek pressure variance and shoulder pressure variance is also a big issue for me.
I switched to free-recoil and minimal to zero cheek pressure. Scores improved.

 

[CharlieNC]

If the butt of the stock is not flat (parallel to bore) the taper adds sensitivity for vertical and cheek pressure consistency. You might also be pushing horizontal movement with the cheek. Practice consistent cheek placement and pressure.

 

[J_idaho]

Good shooting is 50 % load development, 50 % wind reading, 50 % bag manners, and 50 % good components/equipment.

Simple math.

Sorry...it's getting late.

So is there an any tell tell signs of cheek pressure and bag manners. I was out shooting at 650 yrds and my vertical shots always under 1/2 moa. And this trip out I checked my zero and then strapped my magneto on shot two rounds to verify speeds. They were within 3fps of last time I shot. I’m pretty confident in my setup and ammo. It’s my form I’m trying to figure out. I guess it’s possible the wind shifted to a tail wind and I missed it. I’ve recorded shots before where the wind would gust up just as I shot something you can only see if you pause the video and take it frame for frame. I’m going to lower cheek riser and try and find time to try again. These groups seem to have allot of vertical and then when I changed bag pressure they shifted more to left. Also considering scope failure.

 

[J_idaho]

If the butt of the stock is not flat (parallel to bore) the taper adds sensitivity for vertical and cheek pressure consistency. You might also be pushing horizontal movement with the cheek. Practice consistent cheek placement and pressure.

I thought I had all that under control. Maybe it’s just a bad day at range. The conditions were so perfect since it was a weather system moving through the area the winds were long and steady unlike the normal evening thermals that seem to be less predictable. I’m just going to try lowering cheek pressure. I did forget that I changed bipods from my spiked feet to rubber feet that could be part of it.

 

[4xforfun]

So is there an any tell tell signs of cheek pressure and bag manners. I was out shooting at 650 yrds and my vertical shots always under 1/2 moa. And this trip out I checked my zero and then strapped my magneto on shot two rounds to verify speeds. They were within 3fps of last time I shot. I’m pretty confident in my setup and ammo. It’s my form I’m trying to figure out. I guess it’s possible the wind shifted to a tail wind and I missed it. I’ve recorded shots before where the wind would gust up just as I shot something you can only see if you pause the video and take it frame for frame. I’m going to lower cheek riser and try and find time to try again. These groups seem to have allot of vertical and then when I changed bag pressure they shifted more to left. Also considering scope failure.

Actually yes. My LR dear rifle...a simple mid 90's era REM Sendaro that I had Clay Spencer true it up and put one his 30 cal tubes on it in 300 WBY is a good example. No brake. i found it HATED cheek pressure and LOVED a very firm RH grip off of the bench....either bags or bipod Shot it for many, many years that way. Lots of groups on paper out to over 1 K. The gun never changed.

About 8 years ago I had a braked 338 EDGE tube chambered up and bought a McMillan A5. I made into a switch bbl rig. Changed completely to a more standard light grip and decent cheek pressure in order for it to shoot. BOTH tubes acted the same.

I HATED the Hooked butt on the A5 and sold it and put my Sendaro stock back on. Back to the old firm right hand NO CHEEK weld with the 300 tube. I haven't shot the EDGE tube since.

The moral.....in my opinion.....guns know how they like to be held and will let you know...on paper how they feel. Shoot lots and have fun figuring it out.

Tod

 

[4xforfun]

But the math does not check out. 50%x4=200%. I would swap 50% with 25%.

You have a 70 - 40 chance of being correct.