real world expectations from bergara b14 and vudoo 22lr

[rockwind1]

delving into the 22 long range world. assuming i would be using quality ammo that has been matched to the gun,, and by that i mean, making a trip to lapua and seeing if they will do their usual test. speaking of which,, will they only test their ammo?
i am reasonably proficient, i reload and have some custom precision rifles, prs or hunting style, i don't do any bench rest, i consider myself a sub moa shooter in untimed, easy positons like prone or bench but generally cannot outshoot my rifles probably.
so anyway, been reading and reading and reading,, the bergara b14 comes with a steel barrel and carbon barrel. has anyone on here noticed anything effectively different in groups between the 2?
i'm not super serious about the 22lr thing and will probably be a passing fad for me but i do have a 5000 rd case of older prime subsonic 22lr ammo which was made by ruag. if i could get 1/2 moa out of it in a 22lr set up,, my son and nephew could have fun with it.
am i being unreasonably optimistic?
i don't mind spending a bit more for a vudoo setup if it is worth it,, speaking of which, is there a big difference between the gen 1 and gen 2 vudoo stuff
i am almost defintely going to keep my eye out for a used setup, prefer something turn key that i only need to put on an optic. i happen to have a zco 427 that is currently lonely so will probaby use that. i'm not in a hurry. appreciate any input.
i have found a unbarreled b14 carbon and a nice krg chassis but then it turns into a project and i won't get around to it but i guess i could make it work.

 

[Pyscodog]

Just an idea. Buy the action and the chassis, sent the action to Douglas and about $600. In a couple of weeks they'll send it back with a new barrel. Stick it in a chassis and mount a scope and go shoot. Easy Peezy. Probably a lot cheaper than a Vudoo and shoot good to.

 

[flatlander]

I wish I had enough experience with the Bergera to offer an opinion, but after starting out with a couple of CMP 40X & XB actions modified to repeaters that use the V22 mags, then moving into the early Gen 1 V22 actions, I never saw the need to buy a Bergera. I was very pleased with the converted 40Xs, and even more so with the 1st V22 action that I barreled, which I still have, along with the converted 40XB & several other Vudoo repeaters & single shots. The only Vudoo V22 rifles I've sold were either bbl'd actions or complete rifles that I ordered in to sell to customers - have never had the desire to sell any of my own Vudoo builds, nor the one factory bbl'd action that I stocked. Based on my experience with three Gen 1 repeaters and a single Gen 3 Three-60, if I were in your position, looking for a very good 22RF bolt repeater, and found a Gen 1 Vudoo in very good condition, I'd buy it in a heartbeat rather than worry about looking for a Gen 2 or Gen 3.

 

[Hoser]

The CF barrel seem to be more hit and miss.

Just get a Vudoo and cry once.

 

[Schutzen2]

If it is,as you say,going to be a passing thing for you just order a Bergara with a steel barrel. You can have one in a few days. I had one and regrettably sold it. I had a decent lot of SK std+ that it shot very well. It would not out shoot my Vudoo but I never expected it to at less than one third the cost. I will have another one at some point.

 

[MarkS]

I have 2 B14R in steel barrels in factory chassis. Both shoot great. Do not get the carbon, why pay more for a gun that is lighter, it is a thin barrel under the carbon. You what the weight.

I have shot a few Vudoo's, they shoot great also. The Bergara's can run with the Vudoo's. As well as my Bergara's shoot, I can't justify the cost of a Vudoo. I don't think a Vudoo is worth 3 times what a Bergara cost.

Once you get the gun and ammo you like, then the biggest thing in shooting Long range 22lr is the WIND. The wind will blow a Vudoo as much as a Bergara. The shooter has to learn how to shoot in the wind. A lot of shooting will get you there.

 

[3Ackleys]

delving into the 22 long range world. assuming i would be using quality ammo that has been matched to the gun,, and by that i mean, making a trip to lapua and seeing if they will do their usual test. speaking of which,, will they only test their ammo?
i am reasonably proficient, i reload and have some custom precision rifles, prs or hunting style, i don't do any bench rest, i consider myself a sub moa shooter in untimed, easy positons like prone or bench but generally cannot outshoot my rifles probably.
so anyway, been reading and reading and reading,, the bergara b14 comes with a steel barrel and carbon barrel. has anyone on here noticed anything effectively different in groups between the 2?
i'm not super serious about the 22lr thing and will probably be a passing fad for me but i do have a 5000 rd case of older prime subsonic 22lr ammo which was made by ruag. if i could get 1/2 moa out of it in a 22lr set up,, my son and nephew could have fun with it.
am i being unreasonably optimistic?
i don't mind spending a bit more for a vudoo setup if it is worth it,, speaking of which, is there a big difference between the gen 1 and gen 2 vudoo stuff
i am almost defintely going to keep my eye out for a used setup, prefer something turn key that i only need to put on an optic. i happen to have a zco 427 that is currently lonely so will probaby use that. i'm not in a hurry. appreciate any input.
i have found a unbarreled b14 carbon and a nice krg chassis but then it turns into a project and i won't get around to it but i guess i could make it work.

Never asked them, but i am pretty sure their only reason for testing your gun is to sell you their ammo. So they can... well stay in business.

 

[Ccrider]

if i could get 1/2 moa out of it in a 22lr set up,, my son and nephew could have fun with it.
am i being unreasonably optimistic?

By my experience, 1/2 inch at 100 yards is unreasonably optimistic with a Vudoo or custom rimfire.

 

[jsof]

By my experience, 1/2 inch at 100 yards is unreasonably optimistic with a Vudoo or custom rimfire.


With the Vudoo and a really good lot of ammo, you'll get one once in a great while, but it will be pretty darn rare. I think the gun Gods throw one in there on those occasions just to suck you further into the rabbit hole. I call them random happy accidents.

 

[TrxR]

Isn't a 1/2 inch pushing it a bit for any .22lr at 100yds?

 

[1911nut]

The price and wait time kept me from a Vudoo. A steel barrel B14R was around $1000. almost 1/3 of a Vudoo. I put in a Jewell trigger @ 4 oz and an ATS tuner.
The combo shoots regularly in the 3’s at 50 yds.

 

[rockwind1]

gents,, i just noticed all the responses, thanks very much. i guess i have gotten used to email notifications from other forums and thought it would happen but no emails. just got back from a little hunting trip and thought i would check in.

 

[rockwind1]

Isn't a 1/2 inch pushing it a bit for any .22lr at 100yds?

i am used to my center fires,, what is the standard distance wise for rimfire? 50 yds? 25?

 

[rockwind1]

i am used to my center fires,, what is the standard distance wise for rimfire? 50 yds? 25?

never mind,, seems like it is 50.

 

[dutch14]

Rifle competion takes place at both 50 and 100, there has been a move to stretch that out to beyond 100.

 

[Topwater]

We have a 100 & 200 yd. shoot. I’m pretty happy when I shoot a sub MOA @ 100 yds.…….One of my buddies has a B 14. It outshot my CZ 457 MTR quite handily at the Lapua test center in Ohio.

 

[Appalachian]

We have a 100 & 200 yd. shoot. I’m pretty happy when I shoot a sub MOA @ 100 yds.…….One of my buddies has a B 14. It outshot my CZ 457 MTR quite handily at the Lapua test center in Ohio.

I recently got a B14R and had the opposite experience. These are with previously untested Ammo. My lot tested Ammo shoots even better out of the MTR. It’s just a lottery on barrels. I suspect on average they’re about equal. My CZ 457 VPC 24” is my best shooting CZ BTW.

 

[Ccrider]

Sub moa at 100 with a Vudoo and the correct ammo is doable and I would say expected. 1/2 moa at 100 is another story. You will get those wallet groups that are 1/2 or smaller, but you have something special if you agg 1/2 moa at 100 with a 22lr.

 

[ROBARRC50]

I would expect half inch groups at 100 pretty regularly if i had a vudoo. See them shoot at a few places and never seen anything come close to that accuracy maybe he owners just cant shoot who knows. I know one thing sub moa at 100 yards and better is easily obtainable for me with my cz 457 and my savage shooting cci std ammo. I think its the luck of the draw maybe shooter skill also. I hear about the 50 yard groups should be3 times bigger at 100 yards. I have not seen that hold true for my rifles. Savage will shoot honest .5 groups some smaller at 50 yards but shoot 5 shot group agg at 100 yards less than moa. Nothing cherry picked. I would not be happy with a vudoo for the cost if it could not shoot half inch at 100 very repeatable pending the shooter is capable of that accuracy.

 

[Ccrider]

I would expect half inch groups at 100 pretty regularly if i had a vudoo. See them shoot at a few places and never seen anything come close to that accuracy maybe he owners just cant shoot who knows. I know one thing sub moa at 100 yards and better is easily obtainable for me with my cz 457 and my savage shooting cci std ammo. I think its the luck of the draw maybe shooter skill also. I hear about the 50 yard groups should be3 times bigger at 100 yards. I have not seen that hold true for my rifles. Savage will shoot honest .5 groups some smaller at 50 yards but shoot 5 shot group agg at 100 yards less than moa. Nothing cherry picked. I would not be happy with a vudoo for the cost if it could not shoot half inch at 100 very repeatable pending the shooter is capable of that accuracy.

With the right lot of ammo 1/2 moa is possible. How much ammo do you have to test to get that kind of accuracy? And then, you may never find the right lot.

I don’t expect that I will be shooting competitive 22lr because I would go broke testing ammo.

To the op, here is a link that I posted that chronicles my experience with my Vudoo. Most days I do ok shooting from the bench and use wind flags. 100 yards outside with a 22lr is an awakening experience. There are some informative replies in the thread from top 22lr shooters. Good luck with your purchase.

Vudoo V22 Breakin

Had been wanting one of these for a while and finally got one to play with. An unfired V22 22LR , Masterpiece Arms Comp Chassis, 20" Mtu Threaded 20 MOA, Timney Trigger. Mounted a Sightron SVSSED 10-50 on on it, sighted it in in a couple of shots and shot a 25 and 50 yard group. (Love this...

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