• This Forum is for adults 18 years of age or over. By continuing to use this Forum you are confirming that you are 18 or older. No content shall be viewed by any person under 18 in California.

Quik load request

Greeting..could one if you fine reloaders with Quikload help me out.. id like some load data with QL.. and yes i have manuals, 4 of them and also use hodgdon online for info..i am just curious what QL has for comparison..Thank in advance..

Load equipment ...

REM 700VLS (older version)
223
26 inch barrel..1:12 Twist

Bullet: 55 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip / Varmint (Boat Tail bulleet)

Powder: IMR8208 XBR
Primer: CCI400 SRP
Brass: Rem and Win


Again..Thank You in advance
 
With the default parameters, 25g looks like your max and it's compressed. Start lower and work up.

Cartridge : .223 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 55, Nosler Varmag Btip 17240
Useable Case Capaci: 25.869 grain H2O = 1.680 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : IMR 8208 XBR

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 84 20.00 2660 864 28413 4946 85.3 1.361
-18.0 86 20.50 2724 906 30344 5103 86.7 1.327
-16.0 88 21.00 2789 950 32409 5257 88.0 1.294
-14.0 90 21.50 2853 994 34621 5407 89.2 1.261
-12.0 92 22.00 2917 1039 36990 5551 90.4 1.230
-10.0 94 22.50 2981 1085 39531 5690 91.5 1.195
-08.0 96 23.00 3046 1133 42256 5823 92.6 1.161
-06.0 99 23.50 3110 1181 45164 5950 93.6 1.128
-04.0 101 24.00 3174 1230 48259 6069 94.5 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 103 24.50 3238 1280 51577 6181 95.4 1.066 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 105 25.00 3301 1331 55140 6284 96.2 1.037 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 107 25.50 3365 1383 58971 6380 96.9 1.008 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 109 26.00 3429 1436 63094 6466 97.6 0.981 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 111 26.50 3492 1489 67539 6543 98.1 0.954 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 113 27.00 3555 1543 72334 6609 98.6 0.929 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 115 27.50 3618 1598 77518 6665 99.1 0.904 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 105 25.00 3459 1461 65626 6268 99.6 0.966 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 105 25.00 3098 1172 45055 6020 89.3 1.129
 
The default values in QL need to be used with some skepticism. Models have context and you don't know which details in the donated model are the same as yours. With 223, case volume varies widely. Many will load bolt guns to 556 pressures with good brass life. That CCI 400 primer probably won't work with that trick. I matched this one to the Hodgdon data by using a typical case capacity for the Lake City brass I use. Winchester should be similar. Not sure about Remington.



Hodgdon gave 3234 fps @ 53,300 psi. After adjusting the case capacity, this model gave 3233 fps @ 52,088 psi. The fired case capacity is generally used for these models. In addition to the manufacturer and individual lot, the chamber volume of the gun matters as well. With 223, these are not subtle effects, they're very noticeable. The close relationship between the bore and case cross section in the 223 case makes it especially sensitive to seating depth. The big change in pressure happens when the bullet first contacts the lands. That's not very likely to happen with a 55 grain bullet in a commercial Remington chamber. Bringing the bullet forward increases the usable case volume and reduces the compressed load crunch.

Powder lots vary and powder moisture can change with storage. Both can have large effects on pressure and velocity. Barrels will exhibit different start pressures. Factory Remington, Savage, and Ruger often give lower start pressures. This reduces the peak pressure and velocity. Custom chambered or "test" barrels will give higher pressures and velocities. What barrel was used is a good thing to check with reloading manual data.

A buddy had problems with that bullet in that gun. Great 100 yard groups. Couldn't hit anything at 400. Applied Ballistics Analytics gives a Sg < 1.1 for that bullet at that velocity from a 1:12. If you're going to push Sg limits, 223 is a good place to do it but that might be a bit too far. We were at a DA of 2000'. A flat base 50 grain bullet solved his problem. I'm curious about how that bullet will do in your gun, please report back.
 
The default values in QL need to be used with some skepticism. Models have context and you don't know which details in the donated model are the same as yours. With 223, case volume varies widely. Many will load bolt guns to 556 pressures with good brass life. That CCI 400 primer probably won't work with that trick. I matched this one to the Hodgdon data by using a typical case capacity for the Lake City brass I use. Winchester should be similar. Not sure about Remington.



Hodgdon gave 3234 fps @ 53,300 psi. After adjusting the case capacity, this model gave 3233 fps @ 52,088 psi. The fired case capacity is generally used for these models. In addition to the manufacturer and individual lot, the chamber volume of the gun matters as well. With 223, these are not subtle effects, they're very noticeable. The close relationship between the bore and case cross section in the 223 case makes it especially sensitive to seating depth. The big change in pressure happens when the bullet first contacts the lands. That's not very likely to happen with a 55 grain bullet in a commercial Remington chamber. Bringing the bullet forward increases the usable case volume and reduces the compressed load crunch.

Powder lots vary and powder moisture can change with storage. Both can have large effects on pressure and velocity. Barrels will exhibit different start pressures. Factory Remington, Savage, and Ruger often give lower start pressures. This reduces the peak pressure and velocity. Custom chambered or "test" barrels will give higher pressures and velocities. What barrel was used is a good thing to check with reloading manual data.

A buddy had problems with that bullet in that gun. Great 100 yard groups. Couldn't hit anything at 400. Applied Ballistics Analytics gives a Sg < 1.1 for that bullet at that velocity from a 1:12. If you're going to push Sg limits, 223 is a good place to do it but that might be a bit too far. We were at a DA of 2000'. A flat base 50 grain bullet solved his problem. I'm curious about how that bullet will do in your gun, please report back.
I will report on load..
 
With the default parameters, 25g looks like your max and it's compressed. Start lower and work up.

Cartridge : .223 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 55, Nosler Varmag Btip 17240
Useable Case Capaci: 25.869 grain H2O = 1.680 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : IMR 8208 XBR

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 84 20.00 2660 864 28413 4946 85.3 1.361
-18.0 86 20.50 2724 906 30344 5103 86.7 1.327
-16.0 88 21.00 2789 950 32409 5257 88.0 1.294
-14.0 90 21.50 2853 994 34621 5407 89.2 1.261
-12.0 92 22.00 2917 1039 36990 5551 90.4 1.230
-10.0 94 22.50 2981 1085 39531 5690 91.5 1.195
-08.0 96 23.00 3046 1133 42256 5823 92.6 1.161
-06.0 99 23.50 3110 1181 45164 5950 93.6 1.128
-04.0 101 24.00 3174 1230 48259 6069 94.5 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 103 24.50 3238 1280 51577 6181 95.4 1.066 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 105 25.00 3301 1331 55140 6284 96.2 1.037 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 107 25.50 3365 1383 58971 6380 96.9 1.008 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 109 26.00 3429 1436 63094 6466 97.6 0.981 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 111 26.50 3492 1489 67539 6543 98.1 0.954 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 113 27.00 3555 1543 72334 6609 98.6 0.929 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 115 27.50 3618 1598 77518 6665 99.1 0.904 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 105 25.00 3459 1461 65626 6268 99.6 0.966 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 105 25.00 3098 1172 45055 6020 89.3 1.129
Well..i was just given a new bullet to load ..same gun, powder everything except now my bro in law wants to change bullet.. he got 300 Hornady 55gr SP with cannalure.. so now i just gotta rethink my load.. Hornady manual says max load of 8208xbr is 25.8 grains.. where the QL says 25 should be considered dangerpus, with the Nosler BT, so what seems to be 24.5 to 24.8 gr as max load charge. According to Hornady… I suppose the difference is with the bullet bearing surface in the barrel, causing different pressures……so now..the minds a wondering where to go now..lol. geeesss thanks for throwing me a giant block of mind pain..lol. always keeps me wondering why i bother to do this handloading.. crazy crazy..
Thanks again
 
Last edited:
QL is somewhere between an entertaining toy and useful tool. Don't get too wrapped up in what randos on the internet produce with it.

Go with the data generated by real nerds with real pressure equipment for companies that put their names on the results. Starting low and working up covers the things you changed from their tests without realizing it.
 
QL is somewhere between an entertaining toy and useful tool. Don't get too wrapped up in what randos on the internet produce with it.

Go with the data generated by real nerds with real pressure equipment for companies that put their names on the results. Starting low and working up covers the things you changed from their tests without realizing it.
Definately.. I always use book data, but a few times I like to compare data to the QL, just for comparative purposes.. I can’t see buying QL, as I really don’t have a need for all the stuff on QL. But again..use for comparison only.. I have5 manuals, but Nosler doesnot list imr8208 for their 223 load data.. so with a QL request, and Hodgdon online.. I can get a descent idea of what loads Start / Max could be..always starting 10% below any max data..
Thanks again for the QL help.. I will post results of work up so folks have some shared data, if they care to look..
 

Upgrades & Donations

This Forum's expenses are primarily paid by member contributions. You can upgrade your Forum membership in seconds. Gold and Silver members get unlimited FREE classifieds for one year. Gold members can upload custom avatars.


Click Upgrade Membership Button ABOVE to get Gold or Silver Status.

You can also donate any amount, large or small, with the button below. Include your Forum Name in the PayPal Notes field.


To DONATE by CHECK, or make a recurring donation, CLICK HERE to learn how.

Forum statistics

Threads
168,843
Messages
2,264,110
Members
81,596
Latest member
tregehr15
Back
Top