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Question to Alliant Reloading

Since Quick Load is a part of most folks reloading program will Alliant provide information to input powders you manufacture and sell into the system? For example started using power pro 2000 MR and there is no data available for our combination and we are on our own. Quick Load was instrumental in developing data for the RE 26 in a few projects I have started using it in.
Being you cant provide load data for any and all possible combinations, the company providing the info would greatly enhance the safety of it users. Since Quick load really assists in providing accurate safe information.
I would appreciate your feed back
Thanks
Jon
 
Hi Jon,
Thanks for your input on Quickload.
The issue with the lack input data on our Power Pro(TM) products stems from our supplier's interpretation of the ITAR regulations. General Dynamics is a huge defense contractor, and they are not willing to send this technical data on their propellant to our German friend Hartmut. While I may not necessarily agree with their interpretation, we have no choice but to respect it.
Shoot well,
Paul
 
Paul (Alliant Reloading), big fan of many years, here. Very glad to have come across this post. Can I ask in regards to 26 if there has been a supply problem? Also, can you resolve a lingering question, is 26 indeed faster burning than 25? I have shot probably 200 pounds of 25 versus 20 pounds of 26. Without question, using brass deformation as the gauge, I cannot load as much 26 as 25, in otherwise identical loads. This is true of all the several cases I use.

I ask because Alliant seems to have a very deliberate method behind assigning numerical names. Burn rate decreases (slower) as the number gets larger. But in the case of 25/26, the faster and higher peaking powder is 26, by my observations.
 
Same with Reloder 22 and 23 as was mentioned by @davidjoe.
In all my instances of testing 25 seemed to be slightly slower than 26 and as well, 22 seemed to be slightly slower than 23.

Thanks, Ron
 
Hi Jon,
Thanks for your input on Quickload.
The issue with the lack input data on our Power Pro(TM) products stems from our supplier's interpretation of the ITAR regulations. General Dynamics is a huge defense contractor, and they are not willing to send this technical data on their propellant to our German friend Hartmut. While I may not necessarily agree with their interpretation, we have no choice but to respect it.
Shoot well,
Paul
Thank you very much for your answer Paul. I do appreciate your candor, while that is frustrating, i do understand. Then next question would be is there anything very close to it so as to make some sort of calculations? Example in previous thread you mention RE 10 being very close to N133. Is there anything you can share there?
Thanks
 
Alliant Powder has always been very cooperative when developing specific loads. Their tech team has always been helpful.

But then, my communications with them have always been private conversations. I’ve never questioned them in a public forum.
 
I can say one thing for sure ArComp works great for me in four different 308's and 3 different 223's.
 
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Alliant Powder has always been very cooperative when developing specific loads. Their tech team has always been helpful.

But then, my communications with them have always been private conversations. I’ve never questioned them in a public forum.
Seems public/private does not matter,Paul has given straight up answers in a public forum.
 
OK... lots of questions.

TimS makes a good point about using the private message feature. I try to answer when I can, with info that I can share, and I will not check in for a while sometimes.

Regarding burn speed, I say go with what you perceive. I characterize burn speed differently than some other folks, and in fact, there is no industry standard definition of burn speed. Many look at the charge weight to get a certain velocity, and they may infer pressure by the various methods. We measure pressure and velocity together, so my main way of characterizing burn speed is how much velocity is developed at a given pressure. Charge weight is in the mix, but that is more a measure of energy efficiency of the propellant in that system rather than burn speed. Our newest powders perfect examples of the efficiency thing. So, they generate velocity at lower charge weights than previous designs. Does that make them faster burning? Maybe/maybe not depending on the pressure needed to generate that velocity.
Honestly, I don't like discussing burn speed and burn speed charts, as that is a rabbit hole I don't have time to go down.
The bottom line is, use your judgement in the applications you are working. If you perceive Reloder 25 is slower than 26, rock on and be safe. In some applications 22 is slower than 23, and vice versa in others. Those two are actually really close P/V wise, depending on lot to lot variations, but the Reloder 23 is the newer more efficient design so charge weights are lower. It is different. The same is true with 25/26.

Regarding Quickload inputs for the powders we don't have the thermochemical/burn rate data for, I need to stay away from that. I feel certain some of you smart people could tweak an existing propellant in the file to mimic another powder, but I wouldn't do that myself. I think Quickload is a very good simulation program, but would remind all that it is governed by the GIGO rule like any other program.

Thank you all for buying our powders.
Shoot well,
Paul
 
Thanks for the reply, Paul. A lot of us appreciate the unsung science of controlling pressure with heavy bullets. No brand gets more velocity at the business end with less brass smash than RL.
 
Paul,
Thank you for the information. I do appreciate your taking time from your busy day to answer questions. That says a lot for what you and your company is about. Thank you for providing great products
 
quail farmer,
Power Pro(TM) 1200-R bulk burn speed should be very similar to our Reloder 10x. Hopefully that is consistent with what your experience has been.
Thank you for using our powder.
Shoot well,
Paul
 

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