QD rings that take Burris inserts

[memilanuk]

Long story made very short... I need to use Burris inserts to make my scope point the same direction as the barrel and not use up all the windage/elevation in said scope in the process. The problem is... this scope needs to come off and on some what regularly, preferably without any hassle or headaches. As it is right now, having to take the cross bolts out and put them back in is an aggravation, as is the tendency for the rings to hang up on anything and everything possible when sliding the scope forward off the rail. I much prefer conventional QD rings like Warne Tactical or Leupold QRW, where I loosen up a side plate and just tip the rings off the rail. No muss, no fuss.

Does *anyone* make rings like this that use the Burris inserts? I thought Burris used to, but I don't see them listed on their web sight.

TIA,

Monte

 

[teele1]

Monte,
I know Burris makes a ring like a QRW. Looks like you could take the side plate with the lever off one of those and put it on the Burris Signature ring thus making it a quick release ring? That would elevate the slotted machine screw or the socket cap screw on the original. Unless the side place on the Signature ring can't be removed.
jim

 

[Steve Blair]

No, the Signature lower portion is a single piece, causing Monte's problem. I use Signatures because of the self-aligning feature and curse them every time they must be removed and installed. There is nothing that would keep Burris from making a conventional base like their XTR Xtreme Tactical or Zee QD rings with the Signature inserts, they just choose not to do that.

I have written Burris on the matter, everyone that would like to see a tip-off ring with Signature inserts should do the same.

 

[brfun]

what are you tring to fit this on an AR? bolt gun? would a QR rail to put your buris rings on maybe do the trick something like this one? http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=28
Brian

 

[memilanuk]

The rifle in question is a Savage 12 Palma. The scope needs to be on for load development, Any Rifle/ Any Sight matches, and F/TR. Scope needs to come off for Fullbore/Palma matches. Around here, it's not uncommon to have a Palma course (800/900/1000yd iron sights) followed by an extra 1000yd unlimited sighter / 20 shots for record Any/Any match... so being able to clamp a scope onto the Satern 20moa combo scope rail/ iron sight base would be nice. Especially if I don't have to wrestle with the danged thing to get the scope off and on... and no, clamping another rail on top of the existing rail is not going to work. The cheekpiece is pretty much maxed out getting my head lined up with the scope as is.

 

[Flybuster]

That's funny Monte I was just researching this last night too. That is what I had in mind for this Palma/F-TR rifle for quick scope change.

There are manufactures that make rings with types of inserts that convert 30mm rings to 1" tube diameter. But as far as I an tell Burris is the only one that makes inserts that you can add taper, they must have a pretty stringent patent or something?

Well there has to be a way around this. The offset ring system is the best thing going and I don't see why it isn't standard by now. Other brands are probably too busy making large sums of money off of their precision tapered picatinny bases to be innovative and burris is just being lazy.

Please if you find something out that works let me know! Thanks,Tanner

 

[Steve Blair]

The attached image shows the problem. On the left is a cheap Leupold QD 1" ring. The scope-gripping part is poor, the base works great. On the right is a Burris Signature Zee 30mm ring. The self-aligning, adjustable and non-marring scope-gripping part is great. The base sucks. Why cannot Burris simply make a ring with the upper from the right ring and lower from the left? They already make other rings that are QD tip-offs. Why would Burris think it is a good idea to force your customers to carefully align the entire scope with the base and have to slide and wiggle it until you have it where you want and then insert the screws and tighten? That is some real marketing savvy.

 

[memilanuk]

It's about on par with everything I've experienced from or heard of Burris customer service...

 

[RJinTexas]

I agree the Signature Z rings are fine unless your going to be needing to remove the scope regularly then they're an absolute pain in the ass. With scopes I plan to using on multiable firearms I am now using TRS Tactical rings, they come in both aluminum and steel are under $100.00 and have a great feather where you tighten one side all the way down after getting your reticals level and then when you tighten the opposite side and the scope tube will not twist in the rings and cause the reticals to be unlevel. The best price I've found is on these rings are at U.S. Armorment 877-746-6865, aluminum ones aren't much higher priced then the Signature Z Rings


Regards
RJ

 

[memilanuk]

Hmmm... I have a set of TSR rings on another scope somewhere around here... they are good but they don't address the problem I'm having.

I did notice that the Satern base(s) I have are more problematic w/ the Burris rings - the fit is definitely snugger than on say, a Farrell base. Problem is there ain't many options out there for combo scope rail/ iron sight bases - pretty much Satern and Warner Tool.

I may end up with one setup for F-Class - that will not be QD, as I will likely have it bolted together and zero-checked well in advance - and one for conventional prone w/ sling that is QD. My trusty 'Super Sniper 16x' scope with something like 120 moa of adjustment pretty much eliminates the problem of minor 20-something moa misalignments... and still works pretty good for sling shooting.

Another option may be to get a different scope rail (non combo) that the Burris rings will slide off and on, and grind on it a bit to clear a regular rear sight base (or grind on the back side of the rear sight base...)

It shouldn't have to be this hard...

 

[Steve Blair]

I was able to improve the situation by inserting a large screwdriver in the ring tensioning slot and very carefully twisting to open it slightly. That allowed a little better sliding along the rail. It is still a flawed design.

 

[Flybuster]

I was able to improve the situation by inserting a large screwdriver in the ring tensioning slot and very carefully twisting to open it slightly. That allowed a little better sliding along the rail. It is stilled a flawed design.

I did that as well, I could barely get them on my BAT mounts.

 

[memilanuk]

That was quite literally, the recommendation I got from Burris customer service a couple years back. Works good once or twice. Which is why I have *one* lonely Burris 30mm medium height Signature Zee ring in my box of rings and mounts. I should have sent them the pieces of the other one along with a note "Your idea, you replace it."

An interesting development... of all the scope rails I have here, a NF base seems to allow the Burris rings to slip off and on the easiest, and appears to have enough room to clear a regular iron sight base as well. Whowuddathunkit?!? We'll see if the rings still slide nice and easy after everything is tightened down with a scope tying both rings together...