PTG Lonestar Action

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Yes, a bushing will work. Over on Rimfire Accuracy, Jerry Stiller commented about that very subject and said that yes, that would work, but he would not do it. He went on to say that if he did install one, he would install the bushing semi-permanently (meaning using blue-loctite or equivalent I presume). It just so happens PQP sells one. I have one that I have used on my LoneStar, which I change barrels out on periodically when testing a barrel with a 3/4"-16 thread. But I did not semi-permanently affix mine. I would not want to use one on a gun I was going to shoot in a match (but you never know, I might get a real shooter combination someday using a bushing).

It just boggles my mind that somebody would make a copy of an action and not change that . We have known that is an issue for a long time.

 

[Deellwood]

It just boggles my mind that somebody would make a copy of an action and not change that . We have known that is an issue for a long time.

I guess you could say that Stiller did that, and named it the 2500X. Fixed a lot of other issues the 40X design had too.

 

[archerforkids]

Teach me something here folks. Wouldn't the larger 1" diameter tenon make for a more robust connecting point to the receiver? Obviously that would demand a larger diameter barrel, but is that a bad thing?

 

[scasa]

It would make a more robust connection yes but remember a button rifled barrel grows internally when you reduce the diameter too many things are changing where your cutting your chamber

Larger diameter barrel is harder to tune best to stay around .900

 

[Deellwood]

Teach me something here folks. Wouldn't the larger 1" diameter tenon make for a more robust connecting point to the receiver? Obviously that would demand a larger diameter barrel, but is that a bad thing?

You are correct. A larger tenon makes a stronger connection, but the 40X (both 722 based versions and 700 based versions) were originally designed as centerfire rifle actions able to handle much more chamber pressure than the .22 caliber rimfire cartridge generates. It is not a bad thing to have such a strong tenon and the 40X design has been one of the most successful bolt action rimfire designs as evidenced by the numerous clones and adaptations. However more modern thought processes and developments in benchrest applications have proven that smaller tenons provide benefits specific to the .22 rimfire, most notably the use of barrel tuners. Smaller diameter barrels respond better to the barrel tuner. That is not to say that you can't tune a barrel that has a 1 1/16" tenon. Those barrels are profiled down to a smaller diameter right after the barrel to action connection. Modern benchrest rimfire actions cut out the middleman (the barrel profile) by reducing the tenon diameter and enabling the barrel to slim down the full length.

Before the development of tuners, battling barrel harmonics was handled by big diameter barrels, some as large as 1.20" or more, where a larger tenon would be more suitable for strength. But that presented a whole other challenge - barrel heavy rifles that tend to dip downwards when shot, requiring heavier stocks and weights to counterbalance the barrel. A vicious circle. You still see big diameter barrels occasionally on the precision benchrest firing line, but I bet you see many more tuners nowadays.

A better application for the larger tenon rifles are the non-benchrest shooting events that require magazine feed, moving around, shooting from different positions and whatever rest presents itself during the course of fire. I think if you stand back and look at the whole .22 caliber rimfire target shooting game, it is developing into 2 groups: the magazine fed muli-position shooters, and the single shot benchrest shooters. with the middle ground being matches like ARA Factory or ABRA, which gives rifles otherwise more suited to multi-position shooting a place to competitively shoot from a bench.

Just my thoughts.

 

[TRSR8]

I guess you could say that Stiller did that, and named it the 2500X. Fixed a lot of other issues the 40X design had too.

You could say anything you want but the 2500 has zero relationship to the 40X, none.
Also seems zero idea about the 40X. That tenon size has zero to do with strength, it is there entirely because the action mortise that the lugs bear on is broached not milled , requiring the big

 

[TRSR8]

Teach me something here folks. Wouldn't the larger 1" diameter tenon make for a more robust connecting point to the receiver? Obviously that would demand a larger diameter barrel, but is that a bad thing?

Not particularly. As posted, the larger tenon has nothing to do with strength as a design feature, it resulted in manufacturing dictates.
Custom RFBR action makers can use whatever tenon they choose, almost all, except 40X clones choose 3/4” which is more than adequate for barrels that tend to be mounted.

 

[Deellwood]

Not particularly. As posted, the larger tenon has nothing to do with strength as a design feature, it resulted in manufacturing dictates.
Custom RFBR action makers can use whatever tenon they choose, almost all, except 40X clones choose 3/4” which is more than adequate for barrels that tend to be mounted.

TRSR8, why don't you take a chill pill. We are only having a discussion. We were not all born knowing everything like you. Chill Timmy boy, before you give yourself a stroke.

 

[Deellwood]

You could say anything you want but the 2500 has zero relationship to the 40X, none.
Also seems zero idea about the 40X. That tenon size has zero to do with strength, it is there entirely because the action mortise that the lugs bear on is broached not milled , requiring the big

All new bolt action designs are improvements over previous designs. I can't speak for him, but I believe if Stiller had not designed the LoneStar and grasped the understanding he had of the flaws, he may not have designed the 2500X the way he did. That is the meaning of my statement, which obviously went over your head.

 

[TRSR8]

All new bolt action designs are improvements over previous designs. I can't speak for him, but I believe if Stiller had not designed the LoneStar and grasped the understanding he had of the flaws, he may not have designed the 2500X the way he did. That is the meaning of my statement, which obviously went over your head.

Have you ever been within 10 feet of one? Zero comparisons.
i’ve had 3 2500’s and 1 2500XS. He made the Lonestar because people wanted a 40X clone that was straight and true.
2500 was a clean sheet of paper, top to bottom.
Tenon, different pin, rear, not mid lug, first ever bolt guide pin.
Tell me there, champion, where exactly are the comparisons or evolution?
FWIW, Jerry had been making actions, including CF Remington pattern actions for decades before he ventured over to RF, and my primary gunsmith, Gordon Eck, used nothing but 2500’s for years before he retired.
This, I post, for others…..you seem eternally hopeless. Know everything…..hardly, It does, however remind me of the great joke…..punchline,” I don’t have to be faster than the bear, I just have to be faster than you”.

 

[Deellwood]

Have you ever been within 10 feet of one? Zero comparisons.
i’ve had 3 2500’s and 1 2500XS. He made the Lonestar because people wanted a 40X clone that was straight and true.
2500 was a clean sheet of paper, top to bottom.
Tenon, different pin, rear, not mid lug, first ever bolt guide pin.
Tell me there, champion, where exactly are the comparisons or evolution?
FWIW, Jerry had been making actions, including CF Remington pattern actions for decades before he ventured over to RF, and my primary gunsmith, Gordon Eck, used nothing but 2500’s for years before he retired.
This, I post, for others…..you seem eternally hopeless. Know everything…..hardly, It does, however remind me of the great joke…..punchline,” I don’t have to be faster than the bear, I just have to be faster than you”.

Well, you are really good at dropping names and pontificating upon your superior intelligence Timmy. But your people skills really stink.

 

[longrange223]

This is getting old, just let it die off...

 

[Deellwood]

This is getting old, just let it die off...

Mia culpa.