prs nrl live round in chamber after cease fire?
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Keith Glasscock
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Honestly, even match chambers can extract live rounds. It is fundamental to any shooting game to be able to remove a loaded round without drama. Sometimes things happen that require an immediate cease fire and unload. I would recommend that shooters, regardless of discipline, plan accordingly.
A cease fire is exactly that. No more shooting. You should be making ammunition thar fits your chamber in a way that you can extract a loaded round or be prepared to have the means to clear a projectile stuck in the throat and powder dumped through your action.
If you have a genuine malfunction which leads to a loaded round being stuck in the chamber some range officers will have live round extraction tools. Basically something that grips the rim of the case and uses a slide hammer to extract the round.uch safer than stuffing a cleaning rod down the muzzle.
If you have a genuine malfunction which leads to a loaded round being stuck in the chamber some range officers will have live round extraction tools. Basically something that grips the rim of the case and uses a slide hammer to extract the round.uch safer than stuffing a cleaning rod down the muzzle.
Jonnyofalltrades
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I believe the OP is referring to rimfire. There are MANY rimfire match chambers that won't extract a live round. I'm sure many guys will have tested and found that from a nice clean chamber they're able to extract live rounds. That's great, but don't assume it's going to work that way at the end of the day of competition.
I am interested to hear what experiences other guys have, as I'm thinking of entering some rimfire PRS shoots this summer.
It's not a problem if you have a live round stuck at the end of the stage. You just tell the RO and he will let you shoot it off. Happens a lot. Don't stress it. The PRS/NRL doesn't do a "cease fire" after the time goes off. It's just the end of your time. Firing off a round to clear the chamber is not a problem.
jelenko
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Not arguing.
But, that just sounds ugly.
Does the match chamber provide a noticeable accuracy improvement?
Jonnyofalltrades
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It sure does. The old school wisdom was "the tighter the better". These days it seems some guys are able to get excellent accuracy while keeping things just a little more on the loose side, relatively speaking.
Not to derail this thread. What new Rimfire chambers are causing a loaded round to not extract a live 22lr round? I have used the Eley EPS and Lapua, Calfee chambers with great success and have NEVER had an issue pulling a live 22lr round out of the chamber?
I have been out of the 22 Rimfire game for some time so I am curious as to what is new that is causing this? To me.. even engraving that stupid little lead bullet... every action I have used has NO issues.
Now you all got me curious
I have been out of the 22 Rimfire game for some time so I am curious as to what is new that is causing this? To me.. even engraving that stupid little lead bullet... every action I have used has NO issues.
Now you all got me curious
It seems pretty obvious that a lot of folks responding also don't have experience with PRS/NRL matches either. The end of a stage time does not imply a cold line "cease fire." If a shooter has to fire a round which was in the chamber when they timed out, then they fire the round. But PRS/NRL matches aren't ran like some other shooting sports where the end of "par time" denotes a cold line. There's 9 other live stages on the line firing... So the shot timer beeps, the shooter says, "I'm going to send it," nobody actually has any concern, and the rifle is rendered safe. A lot of folks will send their chambered last round(s) after timing-out even if it WOULD extract, just to take the shot...
If a round is stuck in the chamber during a TRUE cease fire, or due to some malfunction of the rifle (certainly a rare failure for a centerfire which would have to have a failure to fire AND failure to extract), then live round extraction is what has to happen. I'm sure that happens at rimfire matches - an immediate cease fire is called and someone has a tight match chamber which won't let go of a bullet, so they have to pry it out during the cease fire...
Some folks also might be surprised to realize that there typically won't be an RO - every shooter is expected to be an RSO, and the scoring/administration duties are shared within each squad, with the exception of pro series matches where stage-dedicated scorers and spotters are used, but these folks aren't typically tasked with clearing malfunctions - they tell the shooter and any aides to pull the bolt, move the rifle off of the prop, move down the continuous firing line (still safe) so the match can go on, and move on with the match... MAYBE they'll radio the MD to come manage malfunctions, but typically because of the stage score vs. match vs. stage DQ ruling which is levied, not radioing because the safety aspect of having a stuck, live round.... SOMEONE on squad will resolve the malfunction... There's a lot more onus on the shooters to act like grown ups. Nobody just gets to come shoot without having a responsibility for monitoring and managing safety of and by others, and RO/RSO's on stages aren't getting trained on malfunction management - they just run the stages safely and efficiently.
xswanted
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Typically what happens when the range needs to go cold for a non emergency is the RO will allow shooters to finish their stage, word is spread down the line rapidly that the range is going cold.
If a shooter runs out of time with a round chambered and ready to fire usually a simple request from the shooter “send it?” Is confirmed by the RO and the shooter is allowed to fire the round and then empty the gun. PRS/NRL matches are not ran with “one clock for everybody” each stage is like its own match.
In an emergency situation for cease fire, I would think, all competitors are to open their bolts, leave the gun on the ground and step back from the firing line. If a round is still chambered it will be removed once live fire has been permitted.
jelenko
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Really, people are allowed to go down range without ECI's in all chambers?
xswanted
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I’m not sure you interpreted what I wrote or I didn’t explain in very well.
Hypothetically speaking, in an emergency cease fire, where a round wouldn’t extract and the situation called for someone to go down range what else would we want to do?
I’ve never been in a situation at the many PRS/NRL matches I’ve taken part in, where an emergency cease fire has happened. But I would think, as I stated before, that would nearly have to be the case. I would rather have the bolt open and nobody handling a rifle than a person going down range to handle said emergency while Joe Shooter tried to remove a live round from his rifle.
Otherwise, any other type of cease fire requires all participants to have chamber flags in place and no one is allowed to handle the firearm. Meaning 100% hands off, no optics adjusting or even carrying the rifle off the line.
During these types of events if you are not actively shooting a stage a chamber flag or mag block must be in place at all times.
jelenko
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Understand. Still, a dicey situation going down range with a weapon on the line with a round in it's chamber.
Easy for me to say, but I think weapons that can't have a live round removed safely shouldn't be allowed on the line.
Remember the context - most of these matches aren’t fired on square ranges, so there are instances where match directors can go “down range” safely even while some stages remain firing. We might be talking about a mile long firing line in some instances and may have 270 degrees of fire opportunity. Very common to have a few stages go cold for a target malfunction while the MD drives “down range” while 6-7 other stages continue firing. When we’re talking about EVERYTHING north of a mile long firing line being a hot zone, it’s pretty simple to find a safe angle to point a rifle which doesn’t cover a match director driving down range.
If you consider each stage its own unique “range,” with its own unique danger space, firing line, and safety boundaries, then it’s pretty easy to figure out which directions are safe and which aren’t for a given presence downrange. In many instances, a PRS shooter would have to turn completely around and fire AWAY from their targets to hit targets on another stage - horseshoe or semicircular ranges aren’t so uncommon.
I don't believe so, at least not in any of the PRS shoots I've either shot or RO'd. Bolt back, mag out, ECI inserted.
Very simple and 100% safe.
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