For what it's worth i believe Criterion prefits such as the Savage and Remage options are chambered on CNC equipment, they aren't being chambered one at a time on a manual lathe by a gunsmith.
Pre-Chambered Barrels
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hoz53
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yeah the good features of a savage and some of the good features of a remington
.there are a lot of people on this forum claiming 1/2 MOA or better for it to be an accident. As for "2nd tier" barrel makers, wasn't Criterion originally a spinoff of Krieger? Or did they just share office space?
Dusty Stevens
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Pot pie.. with bbq sauce on it.
Someoldguy
Nope. WAY too many 'egos on parade' around here for that.
shortgrass
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And why is it this has any relevance to this discussion? Both manual and CNC are completely dependent on the set-up and selection of tooling. The set-up/operator is the 'key' to either one. The original question was about pre- threaded and chamber barrel. Not 1 thing was mentioned, in the post asking the question, about "pre-fits" or CNC .
Pre fits are just for convenience and nothing more. If you are happy with 1 moa then you are good to go. It is just as easy to screw something up in a CNC as manually. Usually people that want to push these for sale, just want to deal in volume. My personal opinion. Flame suit on.
Paul
Paul
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It's a ridiculous straw man argument. We were talking about prefit barrels, REMAGE barrels and you are talking about BATs being used in competition.... Not a lot of REMAGE prefits and prechambered barrels there... Hmmm. No I guess not.
You seem to be confused."
I don't think I'm confused, perhaps you are. Why don't you ask Dusty what he thinks about Prefits. You see the principles and techniques he would use to get a Savage or Remington to shoot are exactly the same he would use when fitting a barrel to a BAT or a Panda etc.!! Just because you are using a production action doesn't excuse you from having everything straight and true to give the barrel the best chance you can to have it shoot. If it does shoot, you're just lucky.
It's a ridiculous straw man argument. We were talking about prefit barrels, REMAGE barrels and you are talking about BATs being used in competition.... Not a lot of REMAGE prefits and prechambered barrels there... Hmmm. No I guess not.
You seem to be confused."
I don't think I'm confused, perhaps you are. Why don't you ask Dusty what he thinks about Prefits. You see the principles and techniques he would use to get a Savage or Remington to shoot are exactly the same he would use when fitting a barrel to a BAT or a Panda etc.!! Just because you are using a production action doesn't excuse you from having everything straight and true to give the barrel the best chance you can to have it shoot. If it does shoot, you're just lucky.
Well last I checked it was still a free country, I felt it was worth mentioning and did so.
Before I bought my 6.5x47L Criterion barrel, I talked to a local smith about making a barrel. Barrel blank plus chambering/fitting would run $850.00 - $1,000.00. This was on a Savage 110. I opted for the Criterion at $325.00. When the barrel came in, I took my 7RM barrel off, swapped the bolt head, then installed the barrel using a new case as a go gauge, add tape for no-go gauge. Not concerned about SAAMI spec as I wanted minimal case expansion. Now, I am not a gun smith, but I am pretty handy and I can read/understand how things are supposed to be done/how they work.
Maybe I just got lucky, but my rifle was out shooting a high end custom rifle during load development. I took it to a long range shooting school and made many first round hits on relatively small targets at 600 - 1,050 yds.
For those who think a custom action and/or barrel is the only way to go, you have to remember that not all of us can (or are willing to) afford custom work when there are viable off the shelf options. Does that mean we have to sacrifice performance? Not necessarily. For most shooting systems, the most limiting factor in performance is the person operating the trigger. There are those who can take a rifle that shoots in the 0.2's or 0.3's and shoot to its potential, but those are the minority especially if we are talking long range that requires reading wind and mirage.
Maybe I just got lucky, but my rifle was out shooting a high end custom rifle during load development. I took it to a long range shooting school and made many first round hits on relatively small targets at 600 - 1,050 yds.
For those who think a custom action and/or barrel is the only way to go, you have to remember that not all of us can (or are willing to) afford custom work when there are viable off the shelf options. Does that mean we have to sacrifice performance? Not necessarily. For most shooting systems, the most limiting factor in performance is the person operating the trigger. There are those who can take a rifle that shoots in the 0.2's or 0.3's and shoot to its potential, but those are the minority especially if we are talking long range that requires reading wind and mirage.
hoz53
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agree with you-- proof is in the pudding right. i have heard many reports of good accuracy out of drop in barrels- they are no fluke-- for anybody that only needs 1/2 moa accuracy i think they are the way to go. i have a lathe now so i can do my own barrels but im not sure i need to for my uses. BTW you can get a quality blank for 350 and a quality chamber job for another 350 so 850 to 1K is higher than necessary. still alot more than a drop in you do yourself if that meets your needs
I have two Criterion prefits and a Shilen on a couple of varmint rifles. The accuracy for that purpose is excellent and the rpice was a couple hundred each less than a smithed barrel. They will probably be what I use for same in the future. But for competition I wouldn't even consider one. I spent far too much time, $$ and effort competing to leave something on the table trying to save a few $$. The prefits are good, but not that good. Everything has it's place.
Rick
Rick
butchlambert
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I believe Criterion is the button rifle barrels from Kreiger.
That's the way I understand it. I always wondered if they shared orders for barrel steel.
jds holler
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Please correct me if I am wrong.
It was my understanding that a "prefit barrel" was one which comes chambered, and threaded with a shoulder that needs to be turned back to head space the rifle.
Savage or Remage type simply takes a chambered "prefit", and shortens and threads the shank so that it can be head-spaced with the nut?? jd
It was my understanding that a "prefit barrel" was one which comes chambered, and threaded with a shoulder that needs to be turned back to head space the rifle.
Savage or Remage type simply takes a chambered "prefit", and shortens and threads the shank so that it can be head-spaced with the nut?? jd
urbanrifleman
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Lengthen the threads past the location of the shoulder.
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