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PLEASE HELP!! Leade Angle & Seating Depth

When we say "the bullet's ogive is seated on the lands, or touching the lands" are we referring to the part of the lands where the 'leade angle' starts to cut into the rifling, or where the lands reaches its highest point in the throat? Which of these two points actually touches the bullet's ogive first (from where we base our measurements for seating depth) ??

Thanks
 
Re: Leade Angle & Seating Depth

The point where the bullet just touches the lands which is VERY close to where the rifling starts its rise. Different leade angles (1.25 deg. - 3.0 deg.) will yield slightly different starting points but we are talking about thousanths of an inch difference. If you are concerned about magazine length one may need as much as .050" clearance to feed reliably.
 
Re: Leade Angle & Seating Depth

Thanks. I want to seat my bullet .020" off the lands and I didn't know if the bullet's ogive first contacts the rifling where the leade angle "begins" to cut into the rifling or where the leade angle "ends" it's cutting in the rifling ?

I'm looking at a reamer blueprint and was trying to decided which measurement shown do I use as my starting point for seating depth...
 
Hey there, take a case and seat a bullet long either with light neck tension or lube the bottom of the bullet. Close the bolt several times rotating the cartridge each time. It will measure shorter each time until it stops moving in the case. You can scuff the bullet with steel wool and watch the engagement diminish as you do this. Do this with 3 different cases until your satisfied it's right. Mike
 
Good answers above. The point of contact of bullet to the taper of the land would be determined by the bullets shape immediatley above (forward) of the bearing surface. One of the prime reasons that each bullet type/shape has its own "just touching" point OAL. I try to adjust the impression made by the lands on the bullet to about .004" for each land. Others do this differently. Scuffing the bullet w/ steel wool will yield an easy to read shiney spot. Even so, w/ my tired old eyes I like to use a 10X loupe' to see the results.
 
Thanks Everybody!! I guess I will have to continue to field test it. I just get frustrated with this method because I can never get consistent numbers. Every gauge on the market tends to yield different results...

Tristan
 
It really doesn't matter which gauge you use, as long as repeated use with the same bullet, gives very close to the same result. You should characterize your seating depth as so much longer or shorter than that point, being careful to record the tool used, and the details of the technique. I think that instead of worrying about the difference between tools, you should concentrate on testing to determine which of these tools gives the most consistent results. In the short range benchrest game, the common way to seat a bullet long enough that it will be pushed back when the round is chambered, using the same neck tension that will be used for the final load, and measure the length of the round after it has been chambered and removed. This length is referred to a jam, or jam length, and seating depths are referred to as so many thousandths shorter than, or off jam, regardless of whether they are in the rifling or jumping. This method has the advantage of only requiring the shooter to test by changing seating depth in one direction, shorter. In my case, I keep track of all of this by recording the combined length of the stem and cap of my arbor press type seaters, that do not have a micrometer. Working with one bullet and a sized case. I seat long, measure the OAL ( I can use the bullet tip, since at this stage I will be using the same bullet for everything.) Then I chamber the round, (I use a dummy round if I am not at the range, with the rifle in normal firing position.) unchamber it, and remeasure the tip to head dimension. Subtracting the second measurement from the first tells me the amount the combined stem and cap will have to be shortened to seat to jam, and after the adjustment is made, I record the stem and cap dimension in my notes, as jam for that barrel, bullet, and neck tension, and if I have been working with more than one neck thickness, I note that. The notes will have the day's date so that I can I can go back and trace how it has changed over time, as more shots are fired through the barrel.
 

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