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Palma Brass & Primers

I just recently started using Palma brass.
I tested 3 loads with the intent of only figuring out what it took to get me back to the velocities I run with regular Lapua brass.
Turns out it took .4g more.
Noticed that the groups looked like hammered dog poo while testing. Easily 1.5-2+moa at 200 yards.
I stuck a Weaver T36 on the rifle and was using some cheap, constantly settling bags for testing so I didn't think too much about the groups.
ES and SDs were not very good. When I got the load back to the velocity I was looking for the ES was 19 and the SD was 7. The lighter loads were as high as 40 and 19.
Today I shot a 1K match with the new brass and my groups on Target were less than stellar. I used every bit of the 10 ring with 22% leaking into the 9 ring.
I used Wolf SRM. I have 15K of them for the Service Rifle.
Apparently that may not be the preferred Primer.
The Lapua Palma brass has an extremely small flash hole. None of my decapping pins from small rifle dies or small pistol dies will go through it.

So, I need a hotter primer? Bigger flash hole?
I absolutely love the Wolf/Tula LR primer in standard brass. Usually this rifle shoots in the .5s with ES' of 9 and SDs around 5.

BR4 - too mild?
CCI450- magnum flame with a harder cup? Not usually associated with low deviations?
CCI400- standard flame and softer cup? Probably more flame than the Wolf but I know they will pierce in an AR at the levels we run those loads.
CCI-41- Hard as heck cup with a magnum flame. I tried the 34 once just for grins in Palma loads and it made a good load shoot like poo.
Federal- does anyone use Federal?
Remington 7 1/2- advertised as a bench rest primer. Flame too soft?
 
Talked to one guy at the range today that does use the CCI400 but he had to have his firing pin ground smaller and bolt re-bushed to eliminate blanking and piercing.
 
DukeDuke said:
I shoot 80 a-max out my ar 223 at 3000 fps.
I use only cci#400, never had a problem.
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I never managed to reach 3000 fps in my 223 with 80 grains and Krieger 25 inches barrel. What powder/charge are you using?
If you dont mind....
 
The few F-TR guys I know that use Palma brass are using the 450 magnum primers with Varget powder.
Maybe it prevents the blanking with regular size firing pins. Your results may very.

On the decapping pin. My Redding universal decapping kit has a rod that is for 17 and 20 caliber that
measures .057" diameter and should fit the smaller flash hole. The Redding part number is: 63500.

Good luck
 
I use CCI 450 magnum primers with IMR4895 with my F-TR gun. I want/need to test again for verification, but I was getting an ES of 5 and a SD of 2.17 with that load over the small number of shots I recorded
 
The BR4 and Rem7.5 are both hotter than any of the Wolf small primers. They work. I was at Phoenix a couple years ago and saw a recent Nat'l Champ selling his Wolf's. Said he was using BR4's. He won the Berger SW Nat's that weekend.
 
I have been using the Lapua Palma brass for years with excellent results. Fed. 205Ms, Tula 5.56 and .223, BR-4s does not seem to matter. 46.3-47.0 gr. of Varget and now IMR 4064 (which shoots even better for some reason). The only time I change my load is for temps over 85 deg.. When I have shot LR brass I also had to adjust my load by reducing .3 grain.
I polished my decapping pin a bit to fit the hole which I enlarged slightly to .0625" with the Sinclair tool.
Some other folks I know also have issues with the brass, can not for the life of me figure out what the issue might be. If you want to sell yours, I would be in the market.
 
liseo said:
DukeDuke said:
I shoot 80 a-max out my ar 223 at 3000 fps.
I use only cci#400, never had a problem.
[/quote

I never managed to reach 3000 fps in my 223 with 80 grains and Krieger 25 inches barrel. What powder/charge are you using?
If you dont mind....
I like my ar.
I use 2000MR 27+ gr. aol is 2.500 LC brass
 

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