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open sights

I bought the Savage Palma rifle and want to install the
open sights from Sinclair. Can someone help me out on installation & sight alighment. I don't have the sights yet.
Just need some words of wisdom form the shooters out there!!
 
I assume that the Savage Palma rifle is drilled and tapped for a rear iron sight base. After installing the rear sight, use levels on the rear and front sight to align them,assuming you have flat spots on both sights). If you don't have levels, you can use rulers or some other straight edges on the rear and front sights to align them by eye.
 
You may not realize it but you could write a good long article on this subject. First What sight system did you buy? Are the rears side mount or top mount? Is the front adjustable for elevation?
 
Like Mike said this could be abook.

I thought about replying then thought the post would be a mile long and some things would be lost in the translation from my poor writing skills to the intent of the article.

We really need more info to help you along.

Some things that we need.

1. What style of front sight? the type that attaches to the block that is tapped and screwed to the barrel or the Band type that squezes around the barrel.

2. What type of base in the rear?
Extended Weaver/ Picatiney rail type OR
Side mounted Redfeild/ Werner style

3. Brand of front sight?

4. Brand and model of rear sight?

This will help with the proccess.

Russ T
 
OK, so you have sights. You didn't say what kind so my answer is going to be procedure specific and not sight specifie.

Today, most front sights are mounted by a bbl band and have a vertical ladder,H) or an 'L' type structure that attaches to the bbl mount. Take the front sight and mount the entire sight to the bbl. placing the front sight as hight as you can. Lightly tighten the bbl band screws so that the sight is not loose but you can rotate it with your hand.

Mount your rear sight.

With the rifle laying on its right side, I'll assume a right bolt rifle here, loading port down, place a level on the left side of your rear sight. Most rear sights will have a surface,main body of the sight) that you can place a small line level on,not a bullseye type level).

With the rear sight level, now rotate the front sight until it is level also. Hopefully the front sight has a surface on the left side that is long enough for you to place your level on.

Snug the front bbl band to the mfg. suggest torque. Don't over tighten the front bbl band, you don't need excessively tight screws as there is a lot of surface area on the band.

The front and rear sights are now in line with one another. This is the procedure that Al Warner told me to use and it is spot on for sight alignment.

If you want to be professional doing this, look in a wood working catalog for a digital protractor. They usually are about one inch square electrinic devices and will level anything to a degree or less. Very slick indeed.

Don't use the scope base to check for level along it's top surface cause it usually isn't level to anything on the rifle.

If you have the facility, take a 50 yd rimfire target and place it 30-50 ft. away on a wall. Put your rifle in a rest or cleaning cradel and bore sight,center) the target in the bbl. Now bring your sights to the bull. With this done, I'll bet a steak dinner you will be on target at 100-200 yds. It really works very well.

Give that a try and see how it works. I use it religiously and the technique never fails me.

Bob
 
Okay guys, slowdown. I don't have the sights yet, just getting an idea on how to install them. The Savage rifle I bought is
tapped for top or side mount for the rear sight. I'm new on
these type of sights. I'm used to my M1 Garand battle sights,
but I want to shoot mid to long range. The sights that I have picked out can be found in Sinclairs catalog. As for the front sight, ladder type, you will have to explain. I have a load of questions about the sights, chamber, dies and loadings and I have plenty of time to read eveything you guys help me with.
The rifle has an adjustable trigger, 30' barrel in .308 Win.
It is the model 12 palma.
If you have alot to write, just send me an email.
Thanks,
Bigbang,Len)
 
It sounds like you don't what you have coming. Hopefully the guy at Sinclair is a match rifle shooter. They sell Centra rears in four different mounting configurations. I don't see any bases that I would use for mounting them so likely you have a base issue to work out.

Level them like Steve says and shoot some matches. Log down your settings. You maybe perfectly happy with that.
 
Len,

Older front sights mounted to a dove tail that was mounted via small screws drilled-n-tapped into the barrel,much like a two-piece scope base would be). The front sight 'tube' had a side clamping plate that would pinch the dovetail and that secured the site to the barrel. With that sort of system, if you needed the front sight higher or lower to help get your zero or position worked out, you had to purchase another dovetail block of a specific height. All the elevation adjustment from one yard line,say 100yds) to another,say 1000yds) was done using the rear sight. Think about that for a second... if the rear sight has to move up that much from a 100yd zero to a 1000yd zero,for a .308 Win), would your head position and cheek weld remain the same? Not at all. A thumbwheel cheekpiece helps some, but thats not really what it was intended for.

With a 'ladder' type front sight, there is usually some sort of base that mounts *around* the end of the barrel. Typically the barrel is turned down to a specific diameter - 0.750' is most common, but others like 0.812, 0.835, etc. are also used, but the selection of front sight bases that fit those sizes is significantly less. So, your front sight base slips over this 0.750' 'tenon' at the end of the barrel. Generally speaking, it attaches by clamping around that tenon. The base may either have an 'H' shaped tower rising from the front of it) or an 'L' shaped arm that attaches to the side. You'll see a series of notches machined either in the face of the tower, or in the side of the base where the 'L' attaches. These notches correspond to a specific number of MOA,based on some specific assumptions about sight radius, etc.), typically about 5 moa per notch,3 and 6 moa are other common values, depending on the model). For a ladder front sight, instead of cranking the front sight up and down for large changes in elevation between yard lines, you do the coarse adjustments by moving the front sight *down* and then fine tune with the rear sight. As an example, if your gun was zeroed for 100yds, and your 1000yd zero was 29-1/4 moa up, you'd loosen the part that holds the notched surfaces together and move it down six notches,30 moa) and re-tighten. Then click down 3/4 moa to 29-1/4 using the rear sight. This allows you to make very minimal changes with the rear sight, maintaining your head position for your Natural Point of Aim,NPoA) which is what the adjustable cheek piece is really for. Of course you have to keep pretty good track,write it down helps a lot) of what you adjusted where, and return the sight to zero between matches,or yard lines).

The front sight towers are somewhat delicate, and can get bent with a little abuse - some of the 'H' mount types come with a 'locator ring' that can be slipped on between them and the muzzle tenon, which is then locked in place. Afterwards, you can slide the whole front sight off and put it in a safe place,like a small Pelican box) and remount it when ready to use it again. The 'L' type bases typically allow you to just unscrew the bolt that tightens down the side plate and take the whole 'L' off for same effect.

There is a whole series of separate topics about choosing the rear aperature,I recommend a basic one from Gehmann or Centra) and the front aperature and any anti-glare tubes, spirit levels, or lenses you may choose to add. I'd highly suggest swinging on by www.long-range.com and reading through the pinned threads and archives there - those topics are covered in considerable detail over there.

HTH,

Monte
 
Thanks, Mike, Monte and the rest of you guys.
The rifle has a 95 palma chamber, so I take it that is a match
chamber? I plan on getting RCBS Match dies, unless you guys tell me otherwise.


Bigbang
Len
 
The 12 Palma Rifles are supposed to have an Obermeyer chamber, unless they changed something from the first few they shipped out to us. Both are slightly snugger versions of a .308 Win... most standard dies should size the cases adequately. I'm partial to Redding Type 'S' F/L bushing dies and Forster Ultra seaters, personally, but there is more than one way to skin the cat as the saying goes.
 
ok one last question
The rear sight, should I buy the side mount or the top mount?
the rifle is drilled and tapped for both. Is it just personal
preference for either.
 
The side mounts are much lower getting the LOS closer to the bore and allowing a lower head position. Most bolt gunners seem to use them. Make sure you get right base width so the mechanical zero of the sight is close to center line of the bore. Some nice side mount bases:

http://www.warner-tool.com/riflehardware.htm

I have the Rail / base combo on my Palma rifle

The top mount sight is much higher but the mechanical zero should be bore center line.

Get Redfield mounts for the side or Weaver for the top. Skip the 11mm top and RPA side mounts
 

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