Just wondering if anyone else has this problem. When I'm shooting groups it always seems like I can put two shot very close to each other, but for some reason the last one goes a little high left or on occasion low right. I'm sure I'm the cause of the problem, just not sure what Im doing wrong. Anyone have any ideas?
One shot always high left?
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ballistic64
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try 5 instead of 3 and see what happens
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First, you can't conclude much from three shots unless it really happens all the time.
Second, have somebody else, a known good shooter, try the gun. If the 2 and 1 doesn't repeat... then it's you.
I suspect its the way you pull the trigger or your followthrough.
I will say I saw split groups like this with my Savage Factory .260 Rem barrel. It was completely inexplicable, but I always seemed to have a "flyer" in a group. Maybe result of stress in the steel -- who knows.
In any case -- factory barrel off, new PacNor on, no more split groups. No other changes. Same stock, same trigger, same scope, same rests, same trigger-puller.
Second, have somebody else, a known good shooter, try the gun. If the 2 and 1 doesn't repeat... then it's you.
I suspect its the way you pull the trigger or your followthrough.
I will say I saw split groups like this with my Savage Factory .260 Rem barrel. It was completely inexplicable, but I always seemed to have a "flyer" in a group. Maybe result of stress in the steel -- who knows.
In any case -- factory barrel off, new PacNor on, no more split groups. No other changes. Same stock, same trigger, same scope, same rests, same trigger-puller.
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Its because its your last shot. Youre trying to hurry and finish. He wasnt meaning to shoot a 5 shot group to make you burn more ammo he wanted to see if it happened on the 5th shot instead of 3rd
Dusty is, as usual on top of it. My question is do you know what shot opened up the group? That will give good intel as to what is going on. If the flyer is random in the three shots, and you are right handed shooter I would suspect that you may have to much finger and when you fire the shot you are not pressing the trigger directly to the rear, bur rather you are "hooking"it or "slapping" the trigger making the butt of the rifle move to the right. This in turn will make the muzzle move to the left.
I hope this helps,
LLoyd
I hope this helps,
LLoyd
I have this problem when I get lazy and put stress on the stock when shooting from a bench with a rest in the front and the back. If you have to "push" the gun one way or another to get on target you're going to have a flyer. It's worse on guns with less rigid stocks.
Guys, you might find that there is nothing wrong with the gear or with the shooting. All rifles that are out of tune do that. You are doing a good job with your shooting and yes, the rifle shoots well too.
When a rifle is not fully tuned, it will shoot 2 shots close together and one out and most of the time, the outlier goes in the same direction.
Try installing a barrel tuner, of the type that the weight is (mostly) in front of the muzzle.
Grab the rifle by the forend without touching the barrel with your hand.
Tap in quick repetition backwards and forwards on the barrel with your finger nail of your other hand and listen closely to the sound and vibrations of the barrel.
Feel and listen at where the barrel has the dullest sound and doesn't vibrate (should be say 4 inches from the muzzle or so).
Unscrew the weight slowly, tighten it and test the sound until that node is ON the muzzle.
You can choose at this point to do a ladder test a 20 shots x 0.1gr increments.
Using the chosen load, fire three shots, record the group and screw back in the weight by 1/8th of a turn. Repeat.
Every time you do this, you will find that the outlier will go in a different angle in a pattern for each 1/8th of a turn.
You should find the node inside one turn of the tuner (8x 1/8th of a turn).
There will be a point that the barrel will shoot the three shots almost through the same hole. Try 1/16th of a turn in and 1/16th of a turn out, and choose the best.
Confirm with a 5 shot group.
THIS PROCEDURE IS FOR TARGET SHOOTING with very precise loads.
Check the thread pitch. 1/8th of a turn should represent NO MORE than 5thou longitudinal movement.
http://www.shootingindustriesaustralia.com/Products.php
When a rifle is not fully tuned, it will shoot 2 shots close together and one out and most of the time, the outlier goes in the same direction.
Try installing a barrel tuner, of the type that the weight is (mostly) in front of the muzzle.
Grab the rifle by the forend without touching the barrel with your hand.
Tap in quick repetition backwards and forwards on the barrel with your finger nail of your other hand and listen closely to the sound and vibrations of the barrel.
Feel and listen at where the barrel has the dullest sound and doesn't vibrate (should be say 4 inches from the muzzle or so).
Unscrew the weight slowly, tighten it and test the sound until that node is ON the muzzle.
You can choose at this point to do a ladder test a 20 shots x 0.1gr increments.
Using the chosen load, fire three shots, record the group and screw back in the weight by 1/8th of a turn. Repeat.
Every time you do this, you will find that the outlier will go in a different angle in a pattern for each 1/8th of a turn.
You should find the node inside one turn of the tuner (8x 1/8th of a turn).
There will be a point that the barrel will shoot the three shots almost through the same hole. Try 1/16th of a turn in and 1/16th of a turn out, and choose the best.
Confirm with a 5 shot group.
THIS PROCEDURE IS FOR TARGET SHOOTING with very precise loads.
Check the thread pitch. 1/8th of a turn should represent NO MORE than 5thou longitudinal movement.
http://www.shootingindustriesaustralia.com/Products.php
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THIS PROCEDURE NOW IS FOR FACTORY PREPARED HUNTING LOADS
Follow the same steps until you get to the point of the 1/8th of a turn testing.
This time, fire only two shots and screw in a 1/8th of a turn.
When they come at the same elevation- stop.
Test for 5 shots and also using a different brand pre loaded ammo of the same bullet weight.
The aim here is to find the best node of positive compensation.
THe rifle now should be very tolerant to diff brands of ammo and temperatures.
Not as accurate procedure as the previous but this one is made for tolerance to different temperature, altitude and humidity conditions
Follow the same steps until you get to the point of the 1/8th of a turn testing.
This time, fire only two shots and screw in a 1/8th of a turn.
When they come at the same elevation- stop.
Test for 5 shots and also using a different brand pre loaded ammo of the same bullet weight.
The aim here is to find the best node of positive compensation.
THe rifle now should be very tolerant to diff brands of ammo and temperatures.
Not as accurate procedure as the previous but this one is made for tolerance to different temperature, altitude and humidity conditions
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