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Old timey gunsmithing

I don't do a lot of gunsmithing for other people anymore, but do occasionally take on work that no one else wants to do. In doing this, I am often reminded what a piece of cake it is to perform some of the precision rifle stuff; in comparison to some of the work which was a big part of my early career. Fitting a match barrel to a custom receiver is a straight forward machining task which is easily accomplished in two hours or less. By way of contrast, I am currently working on bringing back into service a Stevens Visible Loader; a pump action .22. Typical of a 90 year old 22 which has seen rough use, this had a bore which is black and pitted, with little visible rifling. It had parts which were worn, damaged or missing, a split stock, stove bolts in place of gun screws, and so on.
So far, I have relined the barrel and chambered it for 22LR, made a new firing pin, a new barrel retaining pin and screw, and a new cartridge lifter spring. I sleeved the barrel tenon and redrilled the receiver for a new retaining pin (the receiver had been damaged by some over zealous hammer use).
Fitting a precision rifle barrel is, as I said, a piece of cake. You set it up to run true bore and ream the chamber, thread it and Bob's your uncle. On this thing, I had to sleeve the tenon and turn it to a tight slip fit in the receiver (about .001" on the diameter). Then I had to cut the notch for the retaining pin. This was easily done in the mill, but I left it about 10 thou tight for fitting, which is done will file and stones. The notch is "U" shaped. It would have been a lot easier to make it square. The pin has to just fit because it is this fit which indexes the barrel as well. I must have slid that barrel on and off forty times before I had it right. The firing pin was a missing part and it took me two tries to get the dimensions right for the firing pin retractor (which does double duty as the cartridge cut off). The lifter spring was also missing and I'll have to see the one I made works. All in all, a challenging job which will pay poorly (it's for a kid; it was Grandpa's gun). When I do these kind of jobs, I understand why so many modern gunsmiths choose not to!
Coming up is a job of repurposing a1917 Enfield barrel and fitting it to a Model 95 Winchester, in 30/40 (.30 US). WH
 
Turns out what I had mistakenly called the cartridge lifter is actually a hammer block and that darn thing's broken too! This is only the second one of these I have seen in fifty years of gunsmithing and I am working by feel. It finally occurred to me to use the internet as a resource; rather than just a place to BS, and I found a drawing. I should be able to figure out measurements. This part prevents the hammer from falling until the slide is locked up. I suspect they broke from people trying to hold the trigger back and pump for rapid fire. I think I'll take a break for a day. I have couple barrels to contour and fit. Easy money! WH
 
The last Steven's VLR I saw was put back together by Al Siegrest in MI. It is still alive and well last I knew. They are a bear to work on!
 
Will, I admire skilled craftsmen who are able, and willing to work on a wide variety of equipment, having To figure out ways to fix things that entail more than getting on the internet and ordering parts.

While I am a master machinist, I am certainly not a Gunsmith. I just stick top quality barrels on first class actions. It’s first year apprentice work.

A true Gunsmith can build you a rifle that is accurate, feeds and ejects without flaw, all while fixing the trigger on your 380 colt or reducing the cylinder gap on your vintage revolver.

My hat is tipped to you.
 
I'm not a "Gunsmith" and don't claim to be but I'm pretty handy around firearms. I've had more than one person approach me about doing some gunwork on their Grandpa's old so&so that they want the wood refinished and the metal all re-blued and they don't care what the cost is until I tell them. Gee. "I had no idea that it would be that much, I can buy a new firearm for thato_O ! ! " I had a person bring me a 9mm semi auto pistol that they forgot was in a cubby hole on their ATV and after about 6 months and a lot of washing the mud off the ATV they discovered it fully locked up. I removed the grips and started cleaning it in my ultra sonic cleaner and Coca Cola. Took a couple of weeks and some gentle persuasion but got it apart and back to functioning.
Was surprisingly accurate after all this. Person was appalled at the 350.00 tab but later told me they thought they got off easy on that. Probably asked a real Gunsmith for an estimate.;)
 
Very cool! I wish we had one of you in every community! Sadly, there are few such gunsmiths in most parts of the USA.
The reason why there aren't more is there's few who are willing to pay for such work. One of the instructors at gunsmith school had a favorite saying, "You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear". You can, but few are willing to pay for what it really costs to do so! $20-$25/hr isn't enough to buy groceries, let alone keep the lights on, and some figure that is all work like WH is doing, should cost. In "Advanced Repairs", in gunsmith school, we were encouraged to make parts when you couldn't find 'um from the parts dealers, weld-up and refit worn parts, and we were required to make leaf springs. It's no wonder many 'specialize', and only will take on certain work these days. I can still be persuaded to make some repairs requiring work like this, but #1, the firearm has to be worth it, and #2, the customer is willing to spend to get the work done. WH is quite correct, fitting and chambering a barrel is easy money. It takes loads of perseverance and sometimes some real imagination to bring some basket case back to life.
 
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I don't do a lot of gunsmithing for other people anymore, but do occasionally take on work that no one else wants to do. In doing this, I am often reminded what a piece of cake it is to perform some of the precision rifle stuff; in comparison to some of the work which was a big part of my early career. Fitting a match barrel to a custom receiver is a straight forward machining task which is easily accomplished in two hours or less. By way of contrast, I am currently working on bringing back into service a Stevens Visible Loader; a pump action .22. Typical of a 90 year old 22 which has seen rough use, this had a bore which is black and pitted, with little visible rifling. It had parts which were worn, damaged or missing, a split stock, stove bolts in place of gun screws, and so on.
So far, I have relined the barrel and chambered it for 22LR, made a new firing pin, a new barrel retaining pin and screw, and a new cartridge lifter spring. I sleeved the barrel tenon and redrilled the receiver for a new retaining pin (the receiver had been damaged by some over zealous hammer use).
Fitting a precision rifle barrel is, as I said, a piece of cake. You set it up to run true bore and ream the chamber, thread it and Bob's your uncle. On this thing, I had to sleeve the tenon and turn it to a tight slip fit in the receiver (about .001" on the diameter). Then I had to cut the notch for the retaining pin. This was easily done in the mill, but I left it about 10 thou tight for fitting, which is done will file and stones. The notch is "U" shaped. It would have been a lot easier to make it square. The pin has to just fit because it is this fit which indexes the barrel as well. I must have slid that barrel on and off forty times before I had it right. The firing pin was a missing part and it took me two tries to get the dimensions right for the firing pin retractor (which does double duty as the cartridge cut off). The lifter spring was also missing and I'll have to see the one I made works. All in all, a challenging job which will pay poorly (it's for a kid; it was Grandpa's gun). When I do these kind of jobs, I understand why so many modern gunsmiths choose not to!
Coming up is a job of repurposing a1917 Enfield barrel and fitting it to a Model 95 Winchester, in 30/40 (.30 US). WH
I just wish I had a small part of your talents I cant count lefthanded
 
I'll confess to something; there are literally hundreds of guys out there who have skills I can't match on my best day. Nonetheless, I can pretend! One guy I knew was a Ford mechanic (talk about job security! Just kidding, Ford guys) by day but an impressive amateur gunsmith on his own time. He rebuilt a Henry rifle; including making the barrel with the magazine integral. He resurrected a 1886 Winchester which had been through a fire and did his own color case hardening. When he had enough of Ford repair, he started making barrels which were as good as any. Sadly, he left us just when he was getting going.
Many of the gunsmiths and gunmakers I know have skills which are humbling, to me, and the internet makes it even worse. They're everywhere; a lot of them right here on this board. WH
 
I have seen a project or two with a $100 gun cost $300 in parts and time to repair. Then some don’t blink an eye.
Last time I saw a Gpas gun project the guy said bluing it was to expensive and had it ceracoated. Problem was, it was an early 700 that just had some honest wear. I thought it looked great for its age and mileage, kinda like me, LOL.
 
Wish I'd have taken a pic! Just met with a guy who has a Crescent Arms double, with a broken butt stock and mechanical problems, he was thinking of having re-stocked and blued. An old exposed hammer side lock gun. He figured the cost would about $300, or so! He didn't like my estimate (not a quote, an estimate)
 
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I don't do a lot of gunsmithing for other people anymore, but do occasionally take on work that no one else wants to do. In doing this, I am often reminded what a piece of cake it is to perform some of the precision rifle stuff; in comparison to some of the work which was a big part of my early career. Fitting a match barrel to a custom receiver is a straight forward machining task which is easily accomplished in two hours or less. By way of contrast, I am currently working on bringing back into service a Stevens Visible Loader; a pump action .22. Typical of a 90 year old 22 which has seen rough use, this had a bore which is black and pitted, with little visible rifling. It had parts which were worn, damaged or missing, a split stock, stove bolts in place of gun screws, and so on.
So far, I have relined the barrel and chambered it for 22LR, made a new firing pin, a new barrel retaining pin and screw, and a new cartridge lifter spring. I sleeved the barrel tenon and redrilled the receiver for a new retaining pin (the receiver had been damaged by some over zealous hammer use).
Fitting a precision rifle barrel is, as I said, a piece of cake. You set it up to run true bore and ream the chamber, thread it and Bob's your uncle. On this thing, I had to sleeve the tenon and turn it to a tight slip fit in the receiver (about .001" on the diameter). Then I had to cut the notch for the retaining pin. This was easily done in the mill, but I left it about 10 thou tight for fitting, which is done will file and stones. The notch is "U" shaped. It would have been a lot easier to make it square. The pin has to just fit because it is this fit which indexes the barrel as well. I must have slid that barrel on and off forty times before I had it right. The firing pin was a missing part and it took me two tries to get the dimensions right for the firing pin retractor (which does double duty as the cartridge cut off). The lifter spring was also missing and I'll have to see the one I made works. All in all, a challenging job which will pay poorly (it's for a kid; it was Grandpa's gun). When I do these kind of jobs, I understand why so many modern gunsmiths choose not to!
Coming up is a job of repurposing a1917 Enfield barrel and fitting it to a Model 95 Winchester, in 30/40 (.30 US). WH
We didn't call them Visible Loaders, we called them Miserable Loaders.
 
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Wish I'd have taken a pic! Just met with a guy who has a Crescent Arms double, with a broken butt stock and mechanical problems, he was thinking of having re-stocked and blued. An old exposed hammer side lock gun. He figured the cost would about $300, or so! He didn't like my estimate (not a quote, an estimate)
He's only about 30yrs behind..
 
Yes, the good old days are gone. I needed some gunsmith work done recently but could not find a single real gunsmith in my town of Kingman, AZ. I visited 2 that used their garage but had no gunsmithing tools and I doubt they could have done any real gunsmithing. Didn't realize how good we had it up until a few years ago. If I can find a real gunsmith selling out, I will buy all the tools and have one of my sons learn the trade for their retirement years.
 
Forty years ago we visited the musket builders in historic Williamsburg VA. Barrels were hand forged by hammering a rectangular sheet of steel around a mandrel. Of course everything was hand made. Craftsmen have amazing skills which unfortunately is rapidly diminishing.
That was one of the first videos I watched early on in Machine Technology 101. Of course this was right at the beginning of the CNC revolution, our instructor wanted us to understand where you started before you got to push buttons and turn switches.
Amazing stuff, I have a copy of the video on a VCR tape somewhere. (I know I’m old)
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