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Of annealing and my observations at Raton

Turbulent Turtle

F-TR competitor
I have been annealing my brass using the excellent Giraud device for the job for the last 18 months or so and I thought I would pass on some of my observations.

When I got the device, I started annealing the brass used in my prior rifle. I noticed that my scores went up and I got rid of a lot of "whiskey tango foxtrot" shots on paper. Unfortunately, I also got a new scope right at the same time, so it was difficult to say which change had the most effect on the scores.

About a year ago, I acquired my current rifle and bought 500 virgin Lapua cases (same lot) for it and started the cycle. My methodology was to anneal after every second firing because I did not want to overdo it and I did not believe it would make a difference. I keep track of my brass box by box. Every box holds 100 cartridges and I note each primer seating and annealing session. I also note the trimming, which I do every fifth firing. (For completeness sake, I F/L resize with a small base Redding bushing die after every firing. I tumble all cases and then I load the Varget powder using a CM1500 dispensing short 0.1 grain and I finish to the exact grain with an Omega device on my GP 250. I seat the 180gr JLK LBT using a Redding Competition seating die.)

When June came around, I loaded 400 rounds for Raton. Two of the boxes showed three primer seatings, which means they had been fired twice. The cases had been annealed before the third primer seating (PPAP). The other two boxes showed four primer seating, meaning they had been fired three times. They had been annealed before the third primer seating (PPAPP)

Between that marathon loading session and Raton, I loaded and fired the fifth box in local matches and then loaded it two weeks before Raton. The ammo had performed very nicely.

When I got to Raton, I decided to use the ammo in the fifth box for practice, blow offs and the team match on Thursday. I further decided to use the PPAP ammo for the FCNC and the PPAPP ammo for the FCWC.

During the FCNC, I observed my ammo to be exceedingly good. I had no WTF shots, I was just having a great time and even shot a 199-7 on the Friday morning match. My only “bad” match was the last one and the conditions were atrocious, nothing to do with the ammo. I ended the FCNC with a 1244-31X which placed me in twenty second place, 26 shots behind the winner. I was very pleased with the ammo and my performance overall.

The first morning of the FCWC, I got the impression that my ammo (PPAPP) was not as “perfect” as the one I used in the FCNC. I was seeing slight variations on target that I had not seen during the week. I brushed that aside and just concentrated on doing as well as I could. I finished in 43rd position with a 425-24V, just 25 shots behind the eventual winner.

Doing some calculations, I found that even with my “bad” performance in the atrocious conditions of Thursday afternoon, I shot at 95.7% for the FCNC (96.5% until the last match). I compare this to 94.8% during the FCWC with the PPAPP ammo. Also, the FCWC was shot at 800, 900 and 1000 yards on the same target, whereas the FCNC were all shot at 1000 yards. Some people will argue the conditions were worse for the FCWC, I’m not so sure.

Just for the record, I drove to Raton on Saturday, 13 hours straight. I shot the practice on Sunday morning. Then I shot Monday and Tuesday in the individuals, Wednesday in the Team matches, Thursday for the individuals and practice on Friday at the three yard lines. I will state that I was quite tired by the time we started the FCWC on Saturday morning. I will also state that I loathe the line changes.

Some of my degraded performance could be due to the fatigue, but I think it’s mainly due to the fact I did not anneal prior to the loading for the FCWC ammo.

When I got back home, the Giraud was put to good use and from now on, I will be annealing after every single firing.
 
I anneal after every firing also. I would go as many as 4 or 5 firings before i would anneal. Then I had a good friend let me see the light. Boy were my eyes closed before. Stainless steel media clean them and then right into the annealer. F/L afterwards. Load and shoot. Repeat. I'm set up to do so and its easy enough. Turn the machine on and load them.
 
Thanks for that to both of you. I'm just getting set up to start doing that and just managed to order some new Lapua Brass to start fresh. Can you recommend a good case lube that's easier to clean after FL sizing? Thanks.
 
I personally use the Redding Imperial wax and then just wipe it off with a rag when done sizing. There is probably a easier way but this works for me.
 
bayou shooter said:
I have been annealing my brass using the excellent Giraud device for the job for the last 18 months or so and I thought I would pass on some of my observations.

When I got the device, I started annealing the brass used in my prior rifle. I noticed that my scores went up and I got rid of a lot of "whiskey tango foxtrot" shots on paper. Unfortunately, I also got a new scope right at the same time, so it was difficult to say which change had the most effect on the scores.

About a year ago, I acquired my current rifle and bought 500 virgin Lapua cases (same lot) for it and started the cycle. My methodology was to anneal after every second firing because I did not want to overdo it and I did not believe it would make a difference. I keep track of my brass box by box. Every box holds 100 cartridges and I note each primer seating and annealing session. I also note the trimming, which I do every fifth firing. (For completeness sake, I F/L resize with a small base Redding bushing die after every firing. I tumble all cases and then I load the Varget powder using a CM1500 dispensing short 0.1 grain and I finish to the exact grain with an Omega device on my GP 250. I seat the 180gr JLK LBT using a Redding Competition seating die.)

When June came around, I loaded 400 rounds for Raton. Two of the boxes showed three primer seatings, which means they had been fired twice. The cases had been annealed before the third primer seating (PPAP). The other two boxes showed four primer seating, meaning they had been fired three times. They had been annealed before the third primer seating (PPAPP)

Between that marathon loading session and Raton, I loaded and fired the fifth box in local matches and then loaded it two weeks before Raton. The ammo had performed very nicely.

When I got to Raton, I decided to use the ammo in the fifth box for practice, blow offs and the team match on Thursday. I further decided to use the PPAP ammo for the FCNC and the PPAPP ammo for the FCWC.

During the FCNC, I observed my ammo to be exceedingly good. I had no WTF shots, I was just having a great time and even shot a 199-7 on the Friday morning match. My only “bad” match was the last one and the conditions were atrocious, nothing to do with the ammo. I ended the FCNC with a 1244-31X which placed me in twenty second place, 26 shots behind the winner. I was very pleased with the ammo and my performance overall.

The first morning of the FCWC, I got the impression that my ammo (PPAPP) was not as “perfect” as the one I used in the FCNC. I was seeing slight variations on target that I had not seen during the week. I brushed that aside and just concentrated on doing as well as I could. I finished in 43rd position with a 425-24V, just 25 shots behind the eventual winner.

Doing some calculations, I found that even with my “bad” performance in the atrocious conditions of Thursday afternoon, I shot at 95.7% for the FCNC (96.5% until the last match). I compare this to 89.5% during the FCWC with the PPAPP ammo. Also, the FCWC was shot at 800, 900 and 1000 yards on the same target, whereas the FCNC were all shot at 1000 yards. Some people will argue the conditions were worse for the FCWC, I’m not so sure.

Just for the record, I drove to Raton on Saturday, 13 hours straight. I shot the practice on Sunday morning. Then I shot Monday and Tuesday in the individuals, Wednesday in the Team matches, Thursday for the individuals and practice on Friday at the three yard lines. I will state that I was quite tired by the time we started the FCWC on Saturday morning. I will also state that I loathe the line changes.

Some of my degraded performance could be due to the fatigue, but I think it’s mainly due to the fact I did not anneal prior to the loading for the FCWC ammo.

When I got back home, the Giraud was put to good use and from now on, I will be annealing after every single firing.

Nice write up and observations. I have never annealed and every match/string i have a couple shots that i say WTF? Is it because i don't anneal? Can't say for sure but i just got my Bench Source annealer in yesterday and i plan on annealing every firing from now on so we'll see what happens. Even though i have shot some really good scores and placed well in several matches i know my reloading is lacking and costing me points so im trying to take that part of shooting out of the equation. I've never sorted bullets either, thats changing also. Its amazing how much the little things that you think don't make a difference really do.
 
Yeah, I don't sort my 180 JLKs either, I got tired of seeing 180.0 on the digital scale. I did buy a simple comparator this week and may start measuring the ogive and sort on that.

My initial post here was to present longer term and perhaps even quantifiable results of annealing. It's definitely not scientific but I think it does reinforce the benefits of frequent annealing.

I totally agree with you about not wanting to leave any points on the loading bench. I lose enough to wind.
 
Denys, Thanks for the input. I forwarded your post to my wife's inbox. Surely I'll see a new annealer under our Christmas tree 8)
 
That's why I always say that to get consistent results, you have to be consistent in your reloading steps.

Clean, anneal, F/L size, and trim every time.
 
Erik Cortina said:
That's why I always say that to get consistent results, you have to be consistent in your reloading steps.

Clean, anneal, F/L size, and trim every time.

Agree 100%
 
Thanks. Great post. An annealer is on my list for next year. You think the Giraud is the way to go? Will it properly anneal 6.5x47 brass, seeing as it is shorter than the 308?
 
stubbicatt said:
Thanks. Great post. An annealer is on my list for next year. You think the Giraud is the way to go? Will it properly anneal 6.5x47 brass, seeing as it is shorter than the 308?

I have a Benchsource. You can anneal anything up to .50 BMG without changing any parts, just the torch angle.
 
stubbicatt said:
Thanks. Great post. An annealer is on my list for next year. You think the Giraud is the way to go? Will it properly anneal 6.5x47 brass, seeing as it is shorter than the 308?

There are many fine annealers out there and you can't go wrong choosing any of them.

What I like about the Giraud is that I can stack hundreds of cartridges and let them run through. I'm sure it could handle the 6.5X47, all you need is to adjust the torch angle.

There are a few different size rotors available if needed but I would think 6.5X47 cases will fit the 308 rotor nicely. Anyway, rotors are easy to change.
 

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