Does anyone use one? Are they safe to use on factory savage barrels without cutting accuracy? It fouls up more than anything Ive ever seen. I know that the bronze brushes are not that great for barrels. I think that the fouling is hard to remove because I dont clean the barrel right after shooting. Would it help if I started cleaning right after I get done shooting? While the barrel is still warm?
nylon brushes?
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Doing 'something' while the barrel is warm is better than waiting. If all I have time for is running an oiled patch thru mine, I find they're easier to clean than if I don't. Sometimes I uses Hoppes #9, sometimes it's just Hoppes Gun Oil until I can do a more complete job.
Bronze brushes aren't really that bad to use, you just want to make sure you only move it one way - the same as the bullets you shoot - and don't pull it back thru the muzzle. Make sure you use the proper size, and rinse it out with solvent between passes.
Primer residue is far more abrasive than the bronze wire used; I wrap a fresh patch on the back half of a bronze brush every time it goes into the bore, the idea is to catch as much of the crud the brush is loosening up as possible. Don't 'ever' run a brush thru a bore dry.
Bronze brushes aren't really that bad to use, you just want to make sure you only move it one way - the same as the bullets you shoot - and don't pull it back thru the muzzle. Make sure you use the proper size, and rinse it out with solvent between passes.
Primer residue is far more abrasive than the bronze wire used; I wrap a fresh patch on the back half of a bronze brush every time it goes into the bore, the idea is to catch as much of the crud the brush is loosening up as possible. Don't 'ever' run a brush thru a bore dry.
josh
Here's another shooter's opinion.
Cleaning with a bronze brush is not rocket science. Go to a Benchrest match, either long range or point blank, and watch shooters cleaning between relays. Virtually all of them use bronze brushes and a strong solvent, and pump the brush back and forth through the bore like two dogs doing it in your front yard. If they felt they were hurting the bore in any way they would not be doing it. The secret is to use a good one-piece coated rod, a bore guide, and never let the brush go any further than just out of the muzzle before drawing it back through.
Clean the brush after each use with something like carb cleaner and throw it away at the end of the day. Brushes are cheap compared to the cost of your barrel. Buy them in packs of a dozen, or even a gross.
Follow with wet and dry patches and your bore is clean.
I've never heard any shooter say that it's necessary to clean while the bore is warm. I sometimes wait until I get home after the last match.
Ray
Here's another shooter's opinion.
Cleaning with a bronze brush is not rocket science. Go to a Benchrest match, either long range or point blank, and watch shooters cleaning between relays. Virtually all of them use bronze brushes and a strong solvent, and pump the brush back and forth through the bore like two dogs doing it in your front yard. If they felt they were hurting the bore in any way they would not be doing it. The secret is to use a good one-piece coated rod, a bore guide, and never let the brush go any further than just out of the muzzle before drawing it back through.
Clean the brush after each use with something like carb cleaner and throw it away at the end of the day. Brushes are cheap compared to the cost of your barrel. Buy them in packs of a dozen, or even a gross.
Follow with wet and dry patches and your bore is clean.
I've never heard any shooter say that it's necessary to clean while the bore is warm. I sometimes wait until I get home after the last match.
Ray
use bronze brushes...
as Ray says...here is another opinion ....I too use bronz brushes and 'vigoursly' between targets ...if your bbl isnt clean it wont shoot good groups....even at long distance matches I clean between targets if time permits and definately between LG and HG sessions...I am disabled and cant carry a big gun so I must shoot my LG in HG class and if it has two or three LG targets under its belt I firmly believe it helps with the accuracy and bbl life to clean frequently....(here is another good reason to allow muzzle breaks in HG class....some of us have to use a LG!!!)...IMHO,the Nylon brushes seem to just wallow around and not help with the scrubbing of the bore like a bronz brush will....and as Ray said ..if using a bronz brush ruins the bore..then all short range shooters are ruining their bbls on a daily basis.....I think cleaning while the bore is hot helps with the chemical action of the solvents and the pores of the bbl havnt shrunk on the deposits of grime etc....Roger
as Ray says...here is another opinion ....I too use bronz brushes and 'vigoursly' between targets ...if your bbl isnt clean it wont shoot good groups....even at long distance matches I clean between targets if time permits and definately between LG and HG sessions...I am disabled and cant carry a big gun so I must shoot my LG in HG class and if it has two or three LG targets under its belt I firmly believe it helps with the accuracy and bbl life to clean frequently....(here is another good reason to allow muzzle breaks in HG class....some of us have to use a LG!!!)...IMHO,the Nylon brushes seem to just wallow around and not help with the scrubbing of the bore like a bronz brush will....and as Ray said ..if using a bronz brush ruins the bore..then all short range shooters are ruining their bbls on a daily basis.....I think cleaning while the bore is hot helps with the chemical action of the solvents and the pores of the bbl havnt shrunk on the deposits of grime etc....Roger
Time & weather permitting I usually take basic cleaning equipment to the range and do prefer to do a "short" cleaning before leaving the range. Then when I get home it does seem a little easier to do a "finish" cleaning. Also, if getting involved with something else at home, do not feel as guilty about not cleaning the rifle "now". I've never hesitated to use a bronze brush/ buy them by the dozen pack, and find them to be the most effective when new and tight. When a 6mm starts to feel lose, it gets used on the 22 centerfires, so get double the life. Using good bore guides, one piece coated rods, Butch's and Sinclair patches. JB for the stubborn carbon fouling.
I stopped using bronze brushes for two reasons:
1. Solvent on the bronze brush transfers copper like bluing to the cleaning patch.
2. Some of the nylon brushes are very tight, similar to bronze. I use the Iosso and the Montana.
They are as effective as bronze.
After use, I dip them in some denatured alcohol and dry them with a paper towel.
1. Solvent on the bronze brush transfers copper like bluing to the cleaning patch.
2. Some of the nylon brushes are very tight, similar to bronze. I use the Iosso and the Montana.
They are as effective as bronze.
After use, I dip them in some denatured alcohol and dry them with a paper towel.
forsyth793
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Has anyone got any idea what a bronze brush Rockwell hardness is ??
I'm not a big fan of brushing, but I do it from time to time, mainly to get the carbon and powder fouling out. I have tried numerous nylon brushes, like tenring states Montanna Extreme nylon brushes are the best of the lot. However nylon just won't cut it compared to the old tried and true bronze brushes for carbon and powder fouling.
If I'm going to brush I make sure I unscrew the brush after it exits the muzzle on every pass. I'm real fussy about my crowns and do everything I can to protect them.
I think todays chemicals are leaps and bounds ahead of what was available just a few short years ago.
My current favorites are Bore Tech Eliminator, Pro Shot Copper Solvent IV, and I still go back occasionly to the old tried and true 60% Shooters Choice 40% Kroil mix.
Danny
If I'm going to brush I make sure I unscrew the brush after it exits the muzzle on every pass. I'm real fussy about my crowns and do everything I can to protect them.
I think todays chemicals are leaps and bounds ahead of what was available just a few short years ago.
My current favorites are Bore Tech Eliminator, Pro Shot Copper Solvent IV, and I still go back occasionly to the old tried and true 60% Shooters Choice 40% Kroil mix.
Danny
Alf you've remarked previously that you can pull your plastic brushes back without exiting the bore. Only one of my gun/brush combinations allows me to do that. The rest I've got to go out and back in.
Which brand of brush are you using that allows you to consistently pull them back?
Thx
Mike
Which brand of brush are you using that allows you to consistently pull them back?
Thx
Mike
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