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NRA National High Power Rifle Championship moving to Camp Atterbury!

Camp Atterbury will no longer be a sort-of "well kept secret" highpower range anymore. A superb facility that will now enter the limelight as a go-to and must-shoot range. Shawn Agne and his crew have definitely helped transform it into a genuine first-class program. The CIHPRS helped pioneer the use of electronic targets this year, which enticed several shooters into shooting more often.
This years Nationals will now allow the XTC shooters a chance to also shoot the mid-range matches.
If only the NRA would let the F Class shooters back in?
 
I hope your right. I see this as the final nail in the coffin for nra nationals.

The CMP and NRA can't play nice, so this is what you get. The military teams are not going to skip the cmp board matches so they can shoot long range. Why does the dates conflict? If the AMU don't show up, it's dead in the water.
 
I'm sorry there is more to the nationals than the AMU showing up. I'm not sure if you shoot the LR nationals at Perry but not all the top shooters are there either as they skip Perry and go to Canada instead. If the AMU can't make the NRA LR Nationals then that is the AMU's decision the rest of the shooters don't wait on bated breath for them to show up.

If anything competition will bread success. Prior to this the OHNG and Camp Perry had a strangle hold on the matches. Competitors get raped at Port Clinton on lodging and eating prices. You will find the costs for both are about 1/2 that in the Atterbury/Edinburgh area. This move makes the costs cheaper for the NRA and for the competitors.
 
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I agree competition is good. But why must I make a choice of shooting the p-100 or the national long range championship. I was fine with the LR starting on July 5. It wasn't great, but I didnt have to pick one or the other.

Years ago I remember long range mid August, and the cmp board matches early August.
 
Good question, the CMP could adjust their schedule so their isn't that conflict. You weren't at the competitors meetings at Camp Perry during NRA week were you? The vast majority were VERY unhappy about trying to shoot over July 4th weekend along with other issues that the NRA was not involved in.

Yes the matches use to be later, however they've gotten moved up earlier for a variety of reasons, so you have less days to fit everything in.

The same thing you're having to choose between is what some NRA shooters have been having to choose between for the past 3 years in rather they can shoot Across the Course or Mid-range. Some Long Range shooters have to choose between the NRA LR Nations or Canada in years past. Unfortunately you can't schedule every match so there are no conflicts.
 
I agree, CMP should have put some wiggle room on SAFS and Garand match. Perhaps a little house cleaning is the change that is needed on both ends.
 
What you stated there is true about SAFS and the JCG. If they would have been willing to move SAFS and the JCG to get the Junior team match earlier all of this would have been avoided.
 
As I start my planning for the 2017 season, I have a few questions about Camp Atterbury. As I'm a LR shooter, my experiences center around this discipline.
It has been several years since I shot at C-A, so if there have been improvements since I was there last, I'd like to hear about them.
Are there been paved parking lots in close proximity to the firing line, or will we be parking in the un-mowed grass field behind the 1,000 yd. line?
Will there be shuttles to and from the pits, or do we still drive our POV?
How about a place for vendors? Is there an area or are there plans to construct an area for them?
In short, has there been or plans to make C-A as shooter friendly as C-P?
Thanks,

Lloyd
 
Hi Lloyd glad to here you'll be shooting again, I'll give you a call after work today.

There will be shuttles, POVs definitely won't be happening. As far as where parking in how you'll be getting into the ranges and stuff don't know what those plans are. Venders yes there are places for Vendors, beleve Annette showed those areas to be at FOB1 and somewhere else I'd have to check her article again.
 
Hi Lloyd glad to here you'll be shooting again, I'll give you a call after work today.

There will be shuttles, POVs definitely won't be happening. As far as where parking in how you'll be getting into the ranges and stuff don't know what those plans are. Venders yes there are places for Vendors, beleve Annette showed those areas to be at FOB1 and somewhere else I'd have to check her article again.
Shawn, how many firing points? And can you camp there?
 
Camp Atterbury will no longer be a sort-of "well kept secret" highpower range anymore. A superb facility that will now enter the limelight as a go-to and must-shoot range. Shawn Agne and his crew have definitely helped transform it into a genuine first-class program. The CIHPRS helped pioneer the use of electronic targets this year, which enticed several shooters into shooting more often.
This years Nationals will now allow the XTC shooters a chance to also shoot the mid-range matches.
If only the NRA would let the F Class shooters back in?
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Dear GIBrass,

As far as the NRA "letting the F-Class shooters back in", please consider the following - and oh, by the way, you may get your wish - or at least part of it......

I assume you mean NRA letting F-Class shooters shoot in the "conventional" "sling nationals" like they did at Camp Perry a few years ago.

Here's the deal - a few years ago NRA held the first NRA F-Class Mid-Range Nationals in conjunction with the "conventional" or "sling" mid-range nationals. Unfortunately F-Class participation was very low, indeed. It was a little better the second year, but just a little. At the same time, NRA held what was known as the F-Class Great Lakes Long Range Regional which was shot at the same time as the "sling" Long Range Nationals using the "sling" format and program. The reason it was a Regional was because the F-Class Long Range Nationals were held elsewhere and you can only have one national championship per discipline.

The majority of the F-Class community made it very clear that they wanted their own nationals, separate from the sling shooters and using a separate program - the shoot-off format and the inability to use competitor "seeding" after the first day of competition were also reasons why the F-Class Community wanted to be separate from the sling shooters. The majority also wanted the F-Class nationals to be held at various locations around the country as opposed to holding them in the same location year after year. Another factor was that there simply were not enough range days available at Camp Perry to run a separate F-Class National Championship program at Camp Perry - the National Guard needed those days for their own training.

The 2016 Mid-Range and Long Range F-Class Nationals were held in Lodi, WI and will be there again in 2017. Who knows where they will be in 2018 or beyond.

So, it isn't really a question of "letting F-Class back in" but rather a question of how to have the F-Class Nationals in a format that fits into what the F-Class Community wants and deserves - which is its own, distinct national championship. That was the main issue at Perry.

But, with the pending move to Atterbury, there has been some preliminary discussion of finding a way to include F-Class in the mix without disturbing the concepts for the F-Class nationals that are already in place. Thus, I believe that some very preliminary discussions are being had about the possibility of having an F-Class Long Range Regional either before or after the "conventional" sling nationals. Again, this is all very, very preliminary... but it is being discussed. Who knows, maybe they will add Mid-range to the discussion as well.......

Given the very newness of the announced move to Atterbury and all of the other work that must be accomplished before that move can take place, I suspect that it is far too early to know all that might eventually transpire.

It is good to know that there are others besides me who might want it both ways - independent and separate F-Class Mid-range and Long Range National Championships, plus the ability to participate in the "conventional" and traditional NRA High Power Rifle Championships along with the sling shooters from our respective clubs while still shooting F-Class.

Hope this helps,

DE-F-Open
 
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Dear GIBrass,

As far as the NRA "letting the F-Class shooters back in", please consider the following - and oh, by the way, you may get your wish - or at least part of it......

I assume you mean NRA letting F-Class shooters shoot in the "conventional" "sling nationals" like they did at Camp Perry a few years ago.

Here's the deal - a few years ago NRA held the first NRA F-Class Mid-Range Nationals in conjunction with the "conventional" or "sling" mid-range nationals. Unfortunately F-Class participation was very low, indeed. It was a little better the second year, but just a little. At the same time, NRA held what was known as the F-Class Great Lakes Long Range Regional which was shot at the same time as the "sling" Long Range Nationals using the "sling" format and program. The reason it was a Regional was because the F-Class Long Range Nationals were held elsewhere and you can only have one national championship per discipline.

The majority of the F-Class community made it very clear that they wanted their own nationals, separate from the sling shooters and using a separate program - the shoot-off format and the inability to use competitor "seeding" after the first day of competition were also reasons why the F-Class Community wanted to be separate from the sling shooters. The majority also wanted the F-Class nationals to be held at various locations around the country as opposed to holding them in the same location year after year. Another factor was that there simply were not enough range days available at Camp Perry to run a separate F-Class National Championship program at Camp Perry - the National Guard needed those days for their own training.

The 2016 Mid-Range and Long Range F-Class Nationals were held in Lodi, WI and will be there again in 2017. Who knows where they will be in 2018 or beyond.

So, it isn't really a question of "letting F-Class back in" but rather a question of how to have the F-Class Nationals in a format that fits into what the F-Class Community wants and deserves - which is its own, distinct national championship. That was the main issue at Perry.

But, with the pending move to Atterbury, there has been some preliminary discussion of finding a way to include F-Class in the mix without disturbing the concepts for the F-Class nationals that are already in place. Thus, I believe that some very preliminary discussions are being had about the possibility of having an F-Class Long Range Regional either before or after the "conventional" sling nationals. Again, this is all very, very preliminary... but it is being discussed. Who knows, maybe they will add Mid-range to the discussion as well.......

Given the very newness of the announced move to Atterbury and all of the other work that must be accomplished before that move can take place, I suspect that it is far too early to know all that might eventually transpire.

It is good to know that there are others besides me who might want it both ways - independent and separate F-Class Mid-range and Long Range National Championships, plus the ability to participate in the "conventional" and traditional NRA High Power Rifle Championships along with the sling shooters from our respective clubs while still shooting F-Class.

Hope this helps,

DE-F-Open

John:
I totally agree with your thoughts regarding F-Class shooters having their own National Championship Match. Although not an F-Class shooter, I did attend and compete at the one held last year in Phoenix. Thoroughly enjoyed the entire experience, and getting to meet many shooters that I did not know; although quite a few were some I had shot sling with, who have moved on to F-Class for various reasons. Also shot the Camp Perry Mid-Range matches from the get-go when they let the F-Class shooters compete. My previous last post comment was not to suggest that the NRA should sanction the F-Class shooting "Nationals", but simply allow them to shoot along with the sling shooters if they so wish. Having shot many "monthly" matches at various ranges when both F-Class shooters and sling shooters compete simultaneously seems to work just fine, and increases friendship among people who might not see one another if disciplines were not allowed to co-mingle. Ironically, at the matches I shoot in, probably 2/3s or more are F-Class shooters. And especially so at Camp Atterbury. The NRA is an organization benefiting all shooters, and it would just be nice to let everyone compete, similar to that at the Berger SW Nationals.
Jeff Bartlett
 
John:
I totally agree with your thoughts regarding F-Class shooters having their own National Championship Match. Although not an F-Class shooter, I did attend and compete at the one held last year in Phoenix. Thoroughly enjoyed the entire experience, and getting to meet many shooters that I did not know; although quite a few were some I had shot sling with, who have moved on to F-Class for various reasons. Also shot the Camp Perry Mid-Range matches from the get-go when they let the F-Class shooters compete. My previous last post comment was not to suggest that the NRA should sanction the F-Class shooting "Nationals", but simply allow them to shoot along with the sling shooters if they so wish. Having shot many "monthly" matches at various ranges when both F-Class shooters and sling shooters compete simultaneously seems to work just fine, and increases friendship among people who might not see one another if disciplines were not allowed to co-mingle. Ironically, at the matches I shoot in, probably 2/3s or more are F-Class shooters. And especially so at Camp Atterbury. The NRA is an organization benefiting all shooters, and it would just be nice to let everyone compete, similar to that at the Berger SW Nationals.
Jeff Bartlett
Agreed - thanks!

John
 
To some extent it becomes a problem of range capacity. If I understand Shawn's posts from over on the National Match boards Camp Atterbury has 100 long range firing points on 2 ranges, and the current attendance levels in HP long range would probably result in using both ranges.

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John:
...not to suggest that the NRA should sanction the F-Class shooting "Nationals", ...
Jeff Bartlett

just a note, the NRA does "sanction" the FCNC. F class is a subset of NRA HP. The format and the requirements for hosting the FCNC are found in the HP rule books.

What you are suggesting would be a good thing, but as noted above, right now the folks running the HP nationals have a lot of other things to get sorted.
 
Sorry I missed a couple of posts

KD6 (1800yd) 50pts
KD5 (500yd) 50 pts
KD4 (500yd) 50pts
KD3 (2200 or 2500yd not really sure we only get back to 2000yd) 50pt.

Current plan is Course will be shot on 3 ranges KD4,5, and 6
Mid Range will be shot on KD 5 and 6
Long Range will be shot on KD6 and KD3 will be overflow.
Exact rotations for Course and Mid are still being worked out.

As far as F-Class the trick to that is that the range that the Nationals are held at runs the match. Where as for the HP Nationals that is ran by the NRA. If the F-Class Nationals were to be held at Camp Atterbury our club (CIHPRS) is not in a position to be able to run that and I don't think ISRPA is either as they typically just sanction matches and let the ranges hosting the state championships run the matches. As far as the F-Class regional before or after I have heard nothing about that and I'm in fairly regular contact with Dennis Willing. Our club had dates on July 8/9 and July 15/16 but I canceld those dates for the NRA HP Championships. We have drawn the dates of July 29/30 for the ISRPA Mid-Range state championship so I know any regional will not be that weekend. The weekend prior to the 8/9 the ranges will be getting ready for the NRA HP Championships, so from what I know at this point there is no F-Class Regional match that is scheduled. So if there is anything being planned it will be during the week days. But as I've said I have not heard anything about this yet and I think I would have considering I have several shooters in our club and one on our board that are on the US National F-Class teams. CIHPRS is running a Long Range regional the weekend prior to memorial day but this is for both sling and F-class.

I know from a couple of the F-Class shooters that are on the teams they have told me they never really liked being included at the Nationals at CP a couple years back. In their words "CP is your thing we do our own thing." I can understand their reasoning. Having the mid-range F-Class championships separate from the long range was kinda strange I thought. From what I know the current plan is to keep the two separate as you would be talking about a VERY LARGE match with both sling and F-Class if you held both concurrently and the courses of fire don't match up well with each having their own traditions.
 
One thing I hope comes to pass is that Camp Atterbury can serve as a future site for NRA F-Class National Championships in F-Class Mid and Long Range at a time that does not conflict with the National Matches or the needs of the Army. Having one more site for the F-Class Championship would please many shooters.
 
I'm thinking over time you will see this happen. As I said the issue currently is that we don't have the manpower as a club to run the F-Class Nationals. If that part of the equation could be fixed then there is no reason why Atterbury couldn't be in the rotation. The NRA has a 35,000 acre facility that they are moving into and are wanting to use it. They have other stuff on the drawing board that they've been wanting to do but haven't had a facility, one of the things being "Extended" Long Range matches. They want to add competitions past 1,000yd but never had a facility to do that stuff at, well now they do.
 
MY take on the Camp Perry situation is that all this is nothing more than political posturing. Write this down somewhere so you remember someone said it,,,, the CMP is assuming control of these events and is adding newer events that may or not set well with the old dawgs of the NRA. The CMP has deep pockets and serious political clout. They will one way or the other take over CP. Don't ignore Shooting USA and USA Shooting. The NRA will end up being the legislative branch and take the heat while the other orgs are out of sight-out of mind. Just as is being portrayed here, the NRA is the fall guy for this move to Atterbury.

The CMP will succeed in converting the old disciplines into the new Games. These Games are to draw more shooters into shooting, and that's not all bad. I don't know how Atterbury is to be run, but using Camp Perry for practice was just about impossible. Had CP been available on a regularly basis, I'm convinced that the disciplines being moved, would have accomplished far more participants.

NRA Benefactor
 
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