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Norma 222 brass

LCazador

Competitive shooter and reloader for 50 years+
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I recently purchased new Norma 222 brass and 22/250 brass. Wow I'm impressed with the quality and uniformity. It's superior in my opinion to that brand that starts with L. Cases are very consistent on neck diameter within .001" and length is also very consistent. Norma 22 Hornet brass is available also. I hear the PPC brass is quite consistent as well. Rumor has it RWS is making some of this brass in Germany?
 
I find I need to trim Norma brass (243) more often than Sig or Lapua. Other calibers I have 223, 22-250, 280, and 308 don't seem to have this issue.
The 243 also seems to be harder to size (requires more pressure) on the press handle. The brass holds up well though.
 
Roger I have the trimming issue on my 243 as well with Lapua brass and my last batch of Lapua I had to neck turn .003" down to get a consistent neck diameter. I think it's just the 243 cartridge itself. I don't have any of these issues with my 6 Creedmoor (243 performance equal).
 
Norma has always been good quality brass and I'm not sure it's really fair to call it soft. If we compare how durable it is with regard to holding tight primer pockets to Lapua and maybe a couple others is when it gets called soft but I think Lapua and a few of the others are more on the extreme side as to how long they'll hold tight primer pockets and Norma is more in the normal to a little above normal range.
 
I hear many folks say Norma (the brass) is too soft. I have always had good luck with it and it is pretty consistent as you note.
I heard that too. In both my 222 and 22 PPC, the Norma brass has held up to what GRT predicts are max pressure/velocity for many reloads now. I guess Norma is probably soft if you’re the type to run 70ksi loads, but it holds 60ksi just fine.

My cases measured very consistently and not a single scrap out of 300 pieces in either 222 or 22 PPC. Lapua has always had one or more in that number with creases or other defects.
 
I also use Norma 223 brass in my tikka t3x varmint reloads. i Use bullet weights from 69 to 85.5 grains. By preference I always load in the middle of the recommended powder range, so can’t speak to their use in max pressure loads. But haven’t had any issues with any Norma cases so far. They seem to me to be in the Lapua quality range.
 
I have a 222 lapua brass and I have a primer pocket reamer that I use to clean the primers pockets with . and it will not start in to the Lapua primer pockets . And I don't want to increase the dia of the primer pockets . So I'll have to come up with a different way to clean the pockets . But all is good with the norma brass.
 
I have a 222 lapua brass and I have a primer pocket reamer that I use to clean the primers pockets with . and it will not start in to the Lapua primer pockets . And I don't want to increase the dia of the primer pockets . So I'll have to come up with a different way to clean the pockets . But all is good with the norma brass.
Which primer pocket uniformer are you using?

I have a small and large rifle carbide primer pocket uniformers from Sinclair and use the small rifle one with my 20-222 which uses Lapua 222 brass for its parent case. It's definitely a snug fit but it does fit the primer pockets of my 222 Lapua brass. I have a RCBS Brass Boss that I use also and the small rifle uniformer that came with it fits the Lapua primer pockets just a little looser than does my Sinclair SR uniformer.
 
Years ago I had K&M make a Lapua brass pocket uniformer for me in both large and small. Lapua brass has gotten tighter and deeper in the last few years and now my uniformer hangs up on the bottom of the ledge of the sidewall of the pocket. Lapua pockets aren't as square as the used to be.
 
This thread is of specific interest to me, as I recently found a very nice lightly used Sako A1 in 222 online, and couldn't resist the temptation. Looking at the photos online, I was pretty sure the stock is a custom one, and when I received the rifle just after Thanksgiving, looking the stock over up close & personal, there's no doubt about that. It's made on a very nice blank of what appears to be English walnut, with a shadow line cheek piece, very find checkering, custom checkered steel butt plate with widow's peak & matching checkered steel PG cap. Whoever made the stock did a fine job, even to the point of indexing the action screws, PG screws, and buttplate screws so that they're in line. The metal finish is in excellent condition - not a scratch on the bbl, action, nor bottom metal. There are some very minor compression marks just ahead of the widow's peak on the top of the stock, one little ding on the checkering of the forearm, and a small ding on the rear edge of the cheekpiece.

Though I've never owned & fired a rifle in 222, I did find a NIB set of RCBS 222 Rem dies in my reloading room, with the date of 1971 engraved on the die tops. I have no idea why I'd bought those dies all those years ago, since the only 222 I've ever owned was a Howa Mini that I bought 4-5yrs ago, and immediately pulled the factory bbl & replaced it with a Bartlein 1-9tw .204 blank that I chambered in 20 Tactical, without ever firing that OEM bbl. I had one fired 222 case - and don't even recall where it came from - so was hoping to find some factory ammo in another small town with three guns shops only 30mi from here. Struck out looking for ammo in the 1st shop, but the 2nd one had a variety of 222 ammo, including Nosler Varmagedden, PPU, and a couple of boxes of old R-P. My intentions were to get a box or two of something - didn't care much what it was - just so I could zero a Weaver K6 scope on the rifle, while waiting on an order for a small quantity of Hornady brass that I'd found on Grafs to arrive. So I bought two boxes of PPU 50gr SP ammo, and did manage to get the scope zeroed. But judging from the feedback I got on PPU ammo, it seems obvious that I probably should've sprung for either the Nosler or R-P ammo, as everyone seems to agree that the bullets that PPU uses in their factory ammo leave a lot to be desired where accuracy is concerned. I'd love to have a photo of a target that I'd shot with ammo loaded in some of the Hornady brass with Hornady 52gr BTHP match bullets, but I've been on the tractor every day since FedEx delivered the rifle - with the exception of having an hour to zero the K6 scope with the PPU ammo - and it only took 6 shots to get that done at 100yds. So instead, I'll attach a photo of the little Sako sitting on my portable bench the afternoon I got the scope zeroed.

I'd like to remove the bbl'd action from the stock to see if there's any trigger adjustment left, but haven't gotten around to trying that yet - and besides, based on my experience with a Sako L461 Vixen in 223 that I had ordered in clear back in 1971, I doubt I can adjust it any lighter. But what the heck - it's a really nice little rifle, and when I finally finish the field work, I'm very much looking forward to getting out with some fresh handloads to see what it's really capable of!
 

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