No more double-dipping

[Keith Glasscock]

With the NRA publishing the new rules banning radars and chronographs from the line, I guess the days of collecting data and shooting a match at the same time are over...

Is this a rule change or a clarification?

Will this make f-class slow its inevitable march toward perfect scores being decided by only x-count?

What say you?

 

[Keith Glasscock]

Oddly, I didn't see a single Labradar while I was at BSWN.

 

[savagedasher]

Oddly, I didn't see a single Labradar while I was at BSWN.

Same as the use of suppression devices .
Larry

 

[Ned Ludd]

Personally, I'd much rather see electronic devices recording velocities at the shooter's end of line than have electronic devices recording my scores at the target end of the line.

 

[Berger.Fan222]

I'm trying to figure out how to get a Labradar to do it's thing reliably from behind the line. Anyone try this yet? Seems to comply with both the spirit and the letter of the new rule:

Radars, chronographs and other devices designed to measure bullet velocity are prohibited on the line.

 

[Keith Glasscock]

I'm trying to figure out how to get a Labradar to do it's thing reliably from behind the line. Anyone try this yet? Seems to comply with both the spirit and the letter of the new rule:

Radars, chronographs and other devices designed to measure bullet velocity are prohibited on the line.

Well, the radiation would keep you warm...

 

[B Nettesheim]

I cant understand why anyone would want a chronograph of any sort on the line. Conditions are enough to pay attention to, your group size centered on the target is what matters anyway, and there is no spot on the scorecards for velocities.

 

[jghoghunter]

I don't shoot Fclass. I only shoot benchrest. My question is: if it doesn't bother the guy using it and it doesn't slow the process down, what does it matter if a person uses the labradar on the line. It doesn't make him shoot better that day, it just sits there and collects data. Are people afraid that the guy that collects as much data as possible will get better over time. I don't see no reason why a person shouldn't use one AS LONG as he doesn't slow the firing line down.

 

[Joe Salt]

I used my Labradar all last year! It didn't take long to set up, and once it started I let it finish without missing a thing. NRA sometimes has some real weird rules. Just more restrictions. I want to learn from what I find. Its a great tool form my views.

Joe Salt

 

[Keith Glasscock]

I don't shoot Fclass. I only shoot benchrest. My question is: if it doesn't bother the guy using it and it doesn't slow the process down what does it matter if a person uses the labradar on the line. It doesn't make him shoot better, it just sits there and collects data.

I'll disagree with the idea that it doesn't make someone shoot better. If there is an errant shot, knowing that the velocity is in family (or not) is an advantage in the moment.

 

[jghoghunter]

I'll disagree with the idea that it doesn't make someone shoot better. If there is an errant shot, knowing that the velocity is in family (or not) is an advantage in the moment.

I disagree. Without the Labradar I would look at everyone else's sighters and see where they went and decide what I did wrong. And if I'm only going of the Labradar, how do I know what the next velocity will be anyway. I understand what your saying but I don't see a real advantage to it. Reason being you don't know what the next loaded round holds in store for you.

 

[dkhunt14]

I disagree. Without the Labradar I would look at everyone else's sighters and see where they went and decide what I did wrong. And if I'm only going of the Labradar, how do I know what the next velocity will be anyway. I understand what your saying but I don't see a real advantage to it. Reason being you don't know what the next loaded round holds in store for you.

It also isn't going to change the hole in the paper. A nine will be a nine. Matt

 

[Joe Salt]

And I've had shots that were a little higher in velocity and the shot was low! No advantage!

Joe Salt

 

[kyreloader]

E targets already have velocity recording on the target, how is Labradar different?

 

[rardoin]

I have used my LR on the line for a few 20 shot strings in a couple of matches. Interesting to correlate data with shot placement...if other variables such as wind switches were jotted down also. From a rule making point of view, I could see how allowing such devices would increase costs to compete if a competitive advantage is definitely attributed to one. Also, the size and location of the LR will increase the 'clutter' on the line in a crowded match and it can also block flag views of the shooter as well as an adjacent competitor. I am in agreement of disallowing the use of chronographs on the line.

 

[Nowhere Man]

Personally, I'd much rather see electronic devices recording velocities at the shooter's end of line than have electronic devices recording scores at the target end of the line.

SMT does both at the same time.

Dave

 

[carlsbad]

As a physicist/engineer, I can never have too much data. I use the labradar every match I shoot where it is allowed. It doesn't slow me down. If I screw up, I don't get data. A screw up doesn't impact my shooting.

I'd be curious to know the basis for the rule.

It does take a moment to set up but doesn't impact the time allowed to fire.

--Jery

 

[Immike]

E targets already have velocity recording on the target, how is Labradar different?

Everybody has e target would be my 1st guess.

 

[Jay Christopherson]

it was convenient while it lasted, but it doesn't hurt my feelings to lose it.

 

[Rtheurer]

As a Match Director. Lots of darn gear already on the line. Other than that.
However. at a local club level match I would not mind if someone wanted to use the lab radar while shooting if asked.