Night Force ATACR 7x35x56 with Night Force Wedge Prism, 4AW Aadapter.

[jackieschmidt]

This looks like a good combo for my ELR out to a mile.

I see the difference between the NF Wedge Prism and the Charlie Tarac.

None of this is cheap. But looks like a good option for 1 mile with a not so extreme canted mount.

Which would be best with the NF ATACR. The 50 or 100 MOA?

Nightforce Wedge Adapter

This video has info on the NF Wedge and on how to use our adapter and swivel nut system.

4aw-store.myshopify.com

Nightforce: Wedge Prism - 100 MOA/ 29.1 MRAD

Nightforce: The Wedge Prism shifts the incoming image to the riflescope by a precise elevation value, that directly adds to the elevation within the scope.

www.milehighshooting.com

 

[Benchrest Braxton]

This looks like a good combo for my ELR out to a mile.

I see the difference between the NF Wedge Prism and the Charlie Tarac.

None of this is cheap. But looks like a good option for 1 mile with a not so extreme canted mount.

Nightforce Wedge Adapter

This video has info on the NF Wedge and on how to use our adapter and swivel nut system.

4aw-store.myshopify.com

Nightforce: Wedge Prism - 100 MOA/ 29.1 MRAD

Nightforce: The Wedge Prism shifts the incoming image to the riflescope by a precise elevation value, that directly adds to the elevation within the scope.

www.milehighshooting.com

you shouldn't need a prism for only a mile!?

 

[jackieschmidt]

I was thinking of just a 20 degree rail because most of my shooting would be at 200 and 300 yards and going out to a mile when invited up to the ranch.

 

[Benchrest Braxton]

I was thinking of just a 20 degree rail because most of my shooting would be at 200 and 300 yards and going out to a mile when invited up to the ranch.

if you go with a 40 moa rail you would probably save yourself from needing to spend $1,000 on a prism lol

 

[kyotekiller25]

Not sure what cartridge you're using for 1 mile, but a 20 MOA base should be more than sufficient with most LR scopes these days, especially an ATACR.

My 7-300 Win Mag with 180g ELDMs takes roughly 55 MOA to reach a mile. Which is no trouble for the 5.5-22x NXS that has over 100 MOA elevation travel.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Not sure what cartridge you're using for 1 mile, but a 20 MOA base should be more than sufficient with most LR scopes these days, especially an ATACR.

My 7-300 Win Mag with 180g ELDMs takes roughly 55 MOA to reach a mile. Which is no trouble for the 5.5-22x NXS that has over 100 MOA elevation travel.

338 Lapua Ackley Imp throated to shoot the 300 Berger.
I have been stalled on this project because of work and devoting most of my time to my Short Range Disciplines.

Thread 'Building A ELR Rifle'

Jan 8, 2025

My Nephrologist, (kidney doctor) told me that any time I wanted to come up to his ranch, I could shoot out to just past 1 mile. He dabbles in it somewhat.

I have a Bat M Action, which is currently bedded into a Shehane Tracker Stock. It has a Bix &Andy Trigger.

I am wanting to go with the 338 Remington Ultra Mag, shooting either 275 or 300 grain bullets. I am not sure if Bat recommends taking a Bat M bolt out to the 338 Lapua diameter, which is the reasoning behind the RUM. The scope will probably be the big Valdada Eliminator, or an equivalent.

The Bat M will support a lot of barrel...

• jackieschmidt
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• Forum: Practical Precision--PRS, NRL, ELR

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I have allocated $5000 towards the optics, rings, base, etc. while still managing to stay married

 

[kyotekiller25]

You'll be fine with either a 20 or 40 MOA base. You have 100 MOA of adjustment, plus your reticle. Plenty for a mile with a 338 Lapua AI.

 

[X-Caveman]

You can spend about $1,700 on a Tract Toric (or similar) and get to a mile easily with a 20 MOA base. Want to spend more, go with an ATACR or something. No need for a prism, extreme MOA base, etc.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

338 Lapua Ackley Imp throated to shoot the 300 Berger.
I have been stalled on this project because of work and devoting most of my time to my Short Range Disciplines.

Thread 'Building A ELR Rifle'

Jan 8, 2025

My Nephrologist, (kidney doctor) told me that any time I wanted to come up to his ranch, I could shoot out to just past 1 mile. He dabbles in it somewhat.

I have a Bat M Action, which is currently bedded into a Shehane Tracker Stock. It has a Bix &Andy Trigger.

I am wanting to go with the 338 Remington Ultra Mag, shooting either 275 or 300 grain bullets. I am not sure if Bat recommends taking a Bat M bolt out to the 338 Lapua diameter, which is the reasoning behind the RUM. The scope will probably be the big Valdada Eliminator, or an equivalent.

The Bat M will support a lot of barrel...

• jackieschmidt
• Replies: 153
• Forum: Practical Precision--PRS, NRL, ELR

• 

I have allocated $5000 towards the optics, rings, base, etc. while still managing to stay married

You would be much better off to get a March-FX 5-42X56 HM gen2. It has a 26° AOV and 130MOA or 40MIL of elevation. Slap a 20MOA ramp on there and you'll go way more than a mile, save money and have a far better riflescope.

 

[Benchrest Braxton]

You would be much better off to get a March-FX 5-42X56 HM gen2. It has a 26° AOV and 130MOA or 40MIL of elevation. Slap a 20MOA ramp on there and you'll go way more than a mile, save money and have a far better riflescope.

why is everyone so afraid of putting more taper on their optic?

A good riflescope won't experience any detriments to the optics when almost bottomed out....i had an old airgun buddy who was infatuated with having to be at optical center and it drove me nuts.

I am personally running 50 moa taper on my nightforce beast rig and i don't notice anything at all. Personally I wouldn't want to be 5 moa off the bottom on a casual rig but running 1/2 your total elevation travel minus 10-20 moa or so is completely fine

 

[R.Morehouse]

Product Spotlight: ERATAC MOA Scope Mount

Very nice 100% German made product. Mine is the 34mm 0 to 70 MOA, not quick detatch, and works as advertised.....Give it a look.

Regards
Rick

 

[moondog]

338 Lapua Ackley Imp throated to shoot the 300 Berger.
I have been stalled on this project because of work and devoting most of my time to my Short Range Disciplines.

Thread 'Building A ELR Rifle'

Jan 8, 2025

My Nephrologist, (kidney doctor) told me that any time I wanted to come up to his ranch, I could shoot out to just past 1 mile. He dabbles in it somewhat.

I have a Bat M Action, which is currently bedded into a Shehane Tracker Stock. It has a Bix &Andy Trigger.

I am wanting to go with the 338 Remington Ultra Mag, shooting either 275 or 300 grain bullets. I am not sure if Bat recommends taking a Bat M bolt out to the 338 Lapua diameter, which is the reasoning behind the RUM. The scope will probably be the big Valdada Eliminator, or an equivalent.

The Bat M will support a lot of barrel...

• jackieschmidt
• Replies: 153
• Forum: Practical Precision--PRS, NRL, ELR

• 

I have allocated $5000 towards the optics, rings, base, etc. while still managing to stay married

Jackie, I've attached my drop chart for mine. I'm at 5000 ft, so a bit different. I have a 35moa rail, 7x35 ATCAR, and running the 300 grain Bergers. You won't need the anything extra for easy come ups for a mile. I'll split the money I just saved ya.

 

[moondog]

Mine is ffp, I think if I were to do it again, I'd get the 2nd fp. The reticle in the f2 is quite a bit finer.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

why is everyone so afraid of putting more taper on their optic?

A good riflescope won't experience any detriments to the optics when almost bottomed out....i had an old airgun buddy who was infatuated with having to be at optical center and it drove me nuts.

I am personally running 50 moa taper on my nightforce beast rig and i don't notice anything at all. Personally I wouldn't want to be 5 moa off the bottom on a casual rig but running 1/2 your total elevation travel minus 10-20 moa or so is completely fine

I am not afraid of putting a lot of adjustment on a riflescope. Especially on a rifle that is used for ELR. Certainly a March scope will have no issues at all, especially with the internals that are used in them. That said, why wouldn't you put a 20 or 30MOA on the mount when you know you will be shooting long distances? Why limit yourself to only one half of the capability of the riflescope?

With a 20 or 30 MOA, the March-FX 5-42X56 gen 2 will provide 90 to 100MOA of up elevation, by itself.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Mine is ffp, I think if I were to do it again, I'd get the 2nd fp. The reticle in the f2 is quite a bit finer.

At what distant does a FFP become desirable.?

 

[ELR LVR]

No extreme canted mount needed for a Mil

This looks like a good combo for my ELR out to a mile.

I see the difference between the NF Wedge Prism and the Charlie Tarac.

None of this is cheap. But looks like a good option for 1 mile with a not so extreme canted mount.

Which would be best with the NF ATACR. The 50 or 100 MOA?

Nightforce Wedge Adapter

This video has info on the NF Wedge and on how to use our adapter and swivel nut system.

4aw-store.myshopify.com

Nightforce: Wedge Prism - 100 MOA/ 29.1 MRAD

Nightforce: The Wedge Prism shifts the incoming image to the riflescope by a precise elevation value, that directly adds to the elevation within the scope.

www.milehighshooting.com

No extreme canted mount needed for 1 Mile (with the right cartridge)
a 30-40 Moa base works fine, heck even a 60 MOA base, (Nightforce makes or at least made them)
I have a 60 Moa that sits and have never needed more than a 40 MOA base
as long as your scope has at least 90 moa/26 Mils of vertical on tap
most LR scopes have more than that nowadays
But - You are doing good research and looking at the right goodies to have in your toolbox

 

[ELR LVR]

At what distant does a FFP become desirable.?

FFP at All distances, very much so from 600 yds and beyond.
It just makes good sense for your reticle to coincide with your power setting
Sort of like
It just akes more sense for your adjustment knobs to coincide with the type of reticle you have
Mil/Mil,,,,,MOA/MOA vs
MilDot but MOA adjustments which is silly and makes the math in the head even harder and take more time.
I'll admit I'm a math guy and always did love that subject.
But after going to Mil/Mil years ago, things got so much easier since it is a "Base Ten" system
which is what we are used to mentally in our math.
So the transition to another base 10 system is almost instinctive.
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the more subtensions the better in my opinion (IE: 0.2 mil hashmarks)
it allows you to measure how far you missed by
Accurate and quick compensations are easy
And the further out you shoot, the more valuable multiple fine hashmarks become.
Especially if you are shooting with a buddy or spotter
You can call out directing someone much easier to your target "up 1.4 Mils, right 3.8 Mils"
and when you know for a fact that every 0.2 mils = 7.2 inches at 1000 yds
you can split that in half between subtensions and visually resolve 3.6 inches to gauge size of target
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Some people think the scope looks too busy with all those hash marks and such
but things like the Christmas tree are below the horizontal line where we dont usually look anyway
unless we are holding over.
It's more like looking at the Horizon, There is a bunch of crap underneath the Horizon
Yet above the Horizon where your visual focus is going to be anyway,
the skies are pretty clear to explore
Regardless, you get used to it.

 

[moondog]

At what distant does a FFP become desirable.?

I'm not convinced it is for a static shooting scenario. At a certain magnification the the reticle matches the turrets be it moa or mil. I believe it's 17.5 on a 2fp ATCAR. I think the finer reticle on the MOART reticle is a little better choice. I do wish it had a floating dot, but still like it. I don't like or need a Christmas tree reticle for ELR. If your not shooting against a clock, I see no advantage to second focal plane. Also, depending on target size, I'd argue for 1/8 moa graduations. Jackie, I think you'd be fine trying one of your Benchrest scopes for that mile shot if it's got 75moa of elevation available.

 

[SKWERLZ]

if you go with a 40 moa rail you would probably save yourself from needing to spend $1,000 on a prism lol

Exactly

 

[SKWERLZ]

At what distant does a FFP become desirable.?

Any distance where you want an accurate reticle for holds regardless of magnification.