Was wondering if anyone that went to the shot show, had a chance to check out the new Vortex Golden Eagle. It appears to be very close dimensionally and in weight to the Nightforce Comp. It's also supposed to have ED glass. If it is sharp and bright out to the edges and the click adjustments are solid, this may be a very good scope for a grand less than a comp. Just very curious.
New Vortx Golen Eagle?
- Thread starter Chuckhunter
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I'm really not debating the price however Euro Optics lists them for $1499.99, may question was, has anybody who went to the shot show looked through one?
They are made in the Philipines. But not all modles. They claim that some ae made in the US. The company is based in Middletown, Wisconsin.
There isn't a single Vortex optic in any model that has ever been produced in the US to my knowledge. Service centers are in the US, but not manufacturing.
Some of their models are made in the phillipines, and some are made in China. The Razor line used to be exclusively made in Japan, but that must have become to expensive for them because most of today's Razor models are made in China now.
Vortex glass will never be the best, but it is pretty good for the money. The main thing Vortex has going for them is providing buyers with the best warranty in the industry.
The new AMG will be their first US made optic, but they are making a point that all components, including glass, are made in the US
Good to know. Somehow I had the impression that they were originally all made in USA. As far as best warranty, the Leupold warranty is almost verbatim to Vortex's with the caveat that it only applies to Gold Ring products.
Just reading up on the Golden Eagle. 55 MOA of elevation on a scope with 60X is pretty impressive. Curious about clarity on 60X with only a 52mm objective. Got a buddy who is a Vortex dealer. I'll see if he has got his hands on one yet.
According to Euro Optic they won't be available until late spring. Sounds really nice but we all know for competitive shooting it's all about the dependability of the adjustments, that's the one area where Nightforce shines.
My friend (a Vortex dealer) said the scope will not be available for another 3 months.
I'm not sure where you got the idea that the Razors are made in China, but that is simply not true and has never been true. Every single Razor riflescope is made in Japan, with the exception of the AMG, which is made in the USA.
Vortex scopes have been super on our rifles, and currently awaiting to test out and purchase a Golden Eagle for my 11 yr olds rifle, to replace a NF x42 which has good glass. If the Golden eagle has comparable Glass to the x27 in the Razor line, at this price point, lots of scope companies better watch out.
Before purchasing the Razor Spotting scope, I put that side by side with a Swaro, and I could read the writing on a fishing rod tag across the store as well as if not slightly better than the Swaro, so we took the Razor home, and no regrets.
When I sold my PRS rifle, the Razor 5-20 when with it, and I should have kept it. So ok, I did get a Viper PST and HS for a couple of 223 practice rifles, they don't compare to a Razor or NF, but they are not supposed to be. Besides, Vortex CS is the best.
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I said the Razor "line". I believe my comment was too much of an all encompassing statement. I apologize. Many Razor optics are still made in Japan, but it appears you are methodically moving that production line to China for a larger profit margin. Thats fine, but don't deny it. Ive seen the "Made in China" stickers on the spotting scopes. Why would you produce the 16-48x65 in China?
I hope you do keep the rifle scopes in Japan. I hope you keep eveything out of China. The Japanese make quality products.
Unfortunately, the Chinese made Razor 16-48x65 spotting scopes are already having numerous eyepiece failures. They completely lock up in cold weather.
The Razor products produced in Japan are excellent quality. But who knows what will happen if you move it all to China? Will we see failures like the spotting scope eyepieces? I hope they stay in Japan.
I am glad to see you will finally be producing the AMG scope in the US. Though with a suggested retail price that rivals Schmitt & Bender and upper end NF scopes while only offering a 4X magnification range, I wonder what sales will be like?
I guess the real reason I am a skeptic of Vortex optics is because I have owned Razor and Viper PST products. I purchased them due to people claiming they equalled the quality of high end European optics costing twice as much. When I personally compared them with my high end European optics (spotting scope, binoculars, and rifle scopes), I found that claim to be a ways off from the truth. The people who compare them in stores looking across the warehouse havent really conducted a comparison at all. It isnt until you get them out looking 3 miles across a long mountain valley, or in a hazy atmosphere, or in low light that you truly notice the difference. Are Vortex optics worth what you pay for them? I think so. Is it worth paying twice as much for the higher quality European glass? That's up to the buyer. For me it is worth the extra cost.
I hope as Vortex grows, they do in fact produce glass equal to high end European optics while maintaining their lower price point. That would make me take another look. But from my personal experience with Razor glass, I honestly don't think this new Golden Eagle scope with a 52mm objective will be very useable on 60X. But that's just speculation. I truly hope I am wrong. We will have to see.
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We are not methodically moving the whole Razor line to China. You are jumping to conclusions. The Razor spotting scopes are now made in China and the only Razor product that we moved there. It had nothing to do with a larger profit margin. It had to do with logistical reasons that I will not divulge, but suffice to say that we had to do it on that particular line. That being said, the next gen Razor spotter is under development and will not be made in China.
There are no plans whatsoever to move any other Razor products to China, so I don't know where that is coming from.
As for the comment about eyepiece failures, we track stuff like that very closely and it is not a widespread issue. Furthermore, we are constantly working to improve quality and re-engineering things to make them better. So, if there is any issue there I can assure you that we have addressed it, or are working to address it. We certainly aren't going to tolerate a product breaking constantly, I can assure you that.
The AMG will hit the street at around $2499. The same price as the 4.5-27x56 Razor HD Gen2. The optics in the AMG are better than the Razor Gen2.
Glad to hear that. It's just that I've seen companies begin production of certain optics in China and the next thing you know, the whole thing goes to China. I'm glad to hear that the new lines won't be going there.
There is no questioning your warranty service. It is excellent.
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The people who compare them in stores looking across the warehouse havent really conducted a comparison at all. It isnt until you get them out looking 3 miles across a long mountain valley, or in a hazy atmosphere, or in low light that you truly notice the difference.
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A BIG AMEN to this^^^^^^
The people who compare them in stores looking across the warehouse havent really conducted a comparison at all. It isnt until you get them out looking 3 miles across a long mountain valley, or in a hazy atmosphere, or in low light that you truly notice the difference.
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A BIG AMEN to this^^^^^^
I can assure you that we have no plans to do anything like that. We didn't want to move the Razor spotters to China, but it had to be done. At least temporarily.
If I could snap my fingers and make it so that we didn't have to make anything there, I would do it in a heartbeat.
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