New Ultra-High BC WTC bullets

[Marksman63]

Any feedback?

Here is what Warner Tool Company says about the new bullets in their product flyer:

3000-1500 fps 3500-1500 fps
Cal. Twist rate G1 BC G7 BC G1 BC G7 BC
30 155.5gr Palma 10 0.553 0.285 0.576 0.290
30 175gr FTR 10 0.678 0.340 0.694 0.348
30 200gr 9 0.780 0.391 0.796 0.399
33 255.5gr LRBT 10 0.814 0.400 0.834 0.411

 

[Marksman63]

I have seen, but probably they worth for important matches!

 

[butchlambert]

What is the price of winning?
I'm waiting on my 30cal. 200grain bullets now.

 

[OIF/OEF]

Ill make a cash withdraw from my foodstamp card and buy some just like Obama said I could....Butch Sir when you get these will you do a report on them Sir. Thank you Sir



Very Respectfully

 

[Jay Christopherson]

http://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/07/29/flat-line-bullets/

Those are some looooong bullets it looks like, but man are they pretty... I'm gonna have to get some to try out, for sure.

 

[jsthntn247]

Shooting those is kinda like fighting a girl. If you win with em, you should have and you get no credit, but if you lose OOOOOO man you just got whipped by a girl and all your buddies will laugh at you.

 

[Joe Salt]

Got beat by my wife all the time never bothered me, cause I done all the reloading! I'll stick with the cheaper bullets and hope the wind blows them in.

Joe Salt

 

[Laurie]

Note that these are turned solid copper or copper alloy bullets, and loading for same is a different ball game from a lead core gilding metal jacket type.

They are not allowed under ICFRA rules that govern Target Rifle, Fullbore Rifle, Palma Rifle, Match Rifle and F-Class disciplines and in the UK, they are banned on any 'ordinary' MoD owned gallery rifle type range, likewise the GB NRA has banned them on Bisley.

Our 'Match Rifle' discipline (308 Win whose distances start at 1,000 and can exceed 1,500 yards) shooters started using this genre maybe 10 or so years ago with some considerable promise, but they were banned within a season or two after the butts crews at Bisley reported incidents of dangerous ricochets and the occasional bullet allegedly bouncing back from the sand backstops into the manned area. Our MoD banned them from 'normal' ranges shortly afterwards due to concerns over any bullet that missed the backstop or ricoched off them being able to exceed range 'Danger Areas' which were set up in the days of the .303 British military round. I imagine that they are allowed here on the very large Danger Area 'field firing ranges' which cartridges like .338 LM and bigger are now confined to in the UK after a number of incidents of .338 cal bullets 'escaping' over range boundaries when fired from British Army sniper rifles.

 

[Matthew Schwartzkopf]

These bullets are prohibited under ICFRA rules as they are monolithic

 

[JRS]

Joe -
My own experience from bullets with tips machined to a point, is they work fine for +1/2-MOA games, but not for 1000-Benchrest.
Milling the tip off (to at least 0.020" diameter) can help them to our needs, where raw accuracy trumps BC.
Donovan

Ya think :

 

[butchlambert]

I will report our results. As you can tell in a 300RUM, we will be shooting it single shot. It is a very long cartridge. It will be for 1000 yard hog killing. Have been waiting on a bolt that is out for fluting. It needs to look kool anyway.

 

[Alan Warner]

"My own experience from bullets with tips machined to a point, is they work fine for +1/2-MOA games, but not for 1000-Benchrest."

That's due to the process in which they were made. The tips were not running 100% concentric to the tail when they were cut off, ie the tool pushed the tip over as it turned. Hence, you have an un-balanced projectile. You won't see that with these. These are machined a bit differently than convention and are balanced from tip to stern.

 

[1KBR]

"My own experience from bullets with tips machined to a point, is they work fine for +1/2-MOA games, but not for 1000-Benchrest."

That's due to the process in which they were made. The tips were not running 100% concentric to the tail when they were cut off, ie the tool pushed the tip over as it turned. Hence, you have an un-balanced projectile. You won't see that with these. These are machined a bit differently than convention and are balanced from tip to stern.

I remember trying some monolithic bullets a few years ago but they were recommended to shoot in a different land/groove profile to what I had. Are these new bullets working well in conventional sized and profiled rifling? Do they show a preference for jam or jump?

 

[bohemR13]

The bullets being offered currently are (with exception of the 200gr 30c) do not require anything particularly special to shoot them. The 10tw barrel is pretty common in the US though it's a bit less common in Palma circles than in more "tactical" circles.

Chamber dimensions are normal. Alan cut a few chambers with tailored dimensions specifically to test. Unsurprisingly they shot extremely well. My rifle is shooting my regular 308 reamer that's setup for the 175 class conventional bullets like Match Kings, Hornady Amax, etc. I'm at ~0.075" freebore with a 1.5deg half-angle in the leade. Alan cut one at 0.100 and another at 0.125

Group sizes across those 3 are essentially interchangeable so we don't have a better answer than "it doesn't appear to matter". The beta test rifle was built years ago by Terry Cross for 175 SMK's and had 0.070 freebore to start. I am not the owner so I don't know the round count or the current freebore "burn". It it shooting without issue in a completely untailored chamber.
They have been shot jumped, jammed, touching and with a little load development on each they seem to shoot very well across the board. At this time, and the opinion may change as we get more data points from in-house and customer results, the projectiles have shown very tolerant and easy to load.


The design criteria of these projectiles, specifically the 30c 155 & 175 as well as the 33c 255gr bullet, were put into a very specific problem statement:

1) Use existing, common twist rates for the respective caliber.
2) Use existing, common throat geometry wherever conceviably possible
3) Maximize performance within the GCR while maintaining #1 and #2

This promotes shooters to "dip their toes" by trying a box or two of the new projectiles and shooting them without the necessity of long lead, expensive items such as special barrels, special chambers, and/or special powders. Being a competitive shooter myself I am immediately turned away by new products which have an initial cost that is hugely influenced by ancillary equipment requirements and we sought to minimize extemporaneous needs over simple bullet substitution.

 

[allen40n2001]

Hi Matt,

So, are they going to be allowed at the AZ State Palma 2015?

Allen