New Match offering at CIHPRS matches (Camp Atterbury)

[Heman]

Just wanted to let everyone know of something new we are trying at CIHPRS matches at Camp Atterbury. In order to get attendance up at the across the course matches we are going to be offering an F-Class option to the across the course matches. This IS NOT an official NRA course of fire just something we are trying to see how it goes.

The course of fire will be as follows

200yd Slow Prone- 2 sighters and 20 shots for record in 20 minutes

200yd Rapid Prone- 2 sighters then 2 10 shot strings with reload, with each string in a time limit of 60 seconds. Each string is shot either 2 and 8, or 5 and 5.

300yd Rapid Prone- 2 sighters then 2 10 shot strings with reload, with each string in a time limit of 70 seconds. Each string is shot either 2 and 8, or 5 and 5.

600yd Slow Prone- 2 sighters and then 20 shots for record in 20 minutes

Total round count is 88 rounds, however additional rounds may be needed in case of an alibis.

The targets will be a newly created SR-F target for 200yds, a SR-3F for the 300yd line, and then the existing MR-1F for the 600yd line. The two newly created targets will be challenging but yet not overly hard.

This is intended to be more of a tactical type match so front bipods and rear bags. Other than that it is just bring what you got. We will keep track of scores and issue classifications as/if needed for this.

In order to register when signing up for any across the course match just choose the f-class option. Our 2018 schedule will be released in the next couple weeks.

If you have any questions please feel free to contact.

 

[daniel.chisholm]

Cool idea - hope it works as a fun unofficial side match and range usage booster.

Some parts sound 'easy' and others sound reasonably challenging, but like everything in order to win a match or shoot well, well, you've gotta shoot well.

Let me know the specifics of your unofficial SR-F target and I'll program it up for the e-target system.

 

[Jetjock1]

Shawn, checkout section 23 in the NRA rulebook.
Jetjock

 

[kzin]

Will you reimburse travel expenses from NY?

Rapids off a bipod are great fun.

I would also like to know the specifics of the targets you use, please.

 

[DR1586]

Rev 6:8 comes to mind. How our world has changed.

 

[Heman]

Walt,
We already run the AR-Tactical for the mid-range for the past two years since it started. The purpose of this is to get more people shooting at our course matches. We get anywhere from 30-50 people for mid and long range matches but course matches are 8-12. So I'm trying to think of a way to add shooters to the course match within the constraints of across the course but opening it up to different shooters.

Dan,
We already learned how to make our own targets as Kevin cracked the files But I will send you the dimensions when I figure out what I want to use

Et, all

The purpose of this is to get increased attendance at our across the course matches. We have a lot of people that like to shoot f-class and people that like to shoot sling prone. So just doing an all prone type course with rapids for f-class and for sling shooters, which I've been contacted by a few older shooters about doing who can't shoot offhand and sitting but would come out to do this.

For the guys wanting to shoot sling prone the targets are rather easy will use the MR-52 for the 200yd slow prone and the 200yd rapid prone, then the SR-3 and the MR-1 as usual.

The F-Class target sizes I'm still trying to decide on. Talking with Dwayne Dragoo he said a MR-63F type target scaled down to 200yd would be difficult for the tactical type rifles to clean so that might be what I go with for 200 and then use a smaller version of the SR-3 calling it the SR-3F. Still thinking this part out. I'll post the target sizes as soon as I get that all finalized

 

[kzin]

The consistent thing to do would be to modify the sr42, mr52 and sr3 just like the other existing f-class modifications.

Add an x ring half the size of the old x
renumber the rest of the rings
old x = 10
old 10 = 9
etc

On the other hand true f-class level guns are not going to be able to shoot the course of fire with two rapid stages. You might not need reduced targets at all. Especially if you use ar-tactical type limits on weight and barrel length and rests.

 

[Heman]

That is kind of what I have in mind for the SR-3F is to just make an F-class version of that for 300 Rapid from the bipod. The issue is the 200yd target. The SR is a 1.5MOA target (3" X ring) for a slow fire unsupported position and then a supported rapid position. Since this is all prone for the F-Class shooters I think a .75MOA variant (half the size) might make it to easy for the slow prone. For this I was thinking of using a 63F scaled to 200yds which will make the slow prone more challenging for the tactical type guns and especially rapids where they won't have as much time to line stuff up.

 

[kzin]

That is kind of what I have in mind for the SR-3F is to just make an F-class version of that for 300 Rapid from the bipod. The issue is the 200yd target. The SR is a 1.5MOA target (3" X ring) for a slow fire unsupported position and then a supported rapid position. Since this is all prone for the F-Class shooters I think a .75MOA variant (half the size) might make it to easy for the slow prone. For this I was thinking of using a 63F scaled to 200yds which will make the slow prone more challenging for the tactical type guns and especially rapids where they won't have as much time to line stuff up.

forget the SR, that's an offhand/sitting based target
200 yard targets already exist specifically for slow prone and rapid prone at 200 for reduced course matches.
The mr52 and sr42.
The mr52 is the mr63 already scaled down to 200.
The sr42 is the sr3 already scaled down to 200.
Just 'f-class' them and you're set in a nicely 'standard' way.
Do your own reductions and they probably come out slightly different than what NRA already did.

I spent months working through this for short range and smallbore practice all the way down to 25 yards

https://rulebooks.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/hpr-book.pdf

detailed specs for 200 yd targets on page 10 of the pdf, page 14 of the document
section 4.3

 

[Heman]

After giving it some thought was decided for XTC-F we created a MR-52F target for the 200yd slow fire and rapid fire stages. The 300yd rapid fire will be shot on a SR-3F.
The dimensions are the same as the official targets just a .5MOA X ring was added and then the other rings adjusted.

We've had some interest by older shooters who only shoot prone and are going to run a XTC-P also where the 200yd slow prone and rapid prone stages will be shot on the MR-52, with the 300 and 600 being the same as traditional course.

Dan is making the SMT target files for us so if anyone is interested let me or him know.

 

[kzin]

After giving it some thought was decided for XTC-F we created a MR-52F target for the 200yd slow fire and rapid fire stages. The 300yd rapid fire will be shot on a SR-3F.
The dimensions are the same as the official targets just a .5MOA X ring was added and then the other rings adjusted.

We've had some interest by older shooters who only shoot prone and are going to run a XTC-P also where the 200yd slow prone and rapid prone stages will be shot on the MR-52, with the 300 and 600 being the same as traditional course.

Dan is making the SMT target files for us so if anyone is interested let me or him know.

So the rifles will be straight f-tr rules?
CoF will force mag fed and encourage semi, I suppose.

I want to set up and shoot some targets by your rules on my own.
I suspect low rf scores on those targets.

 

[Heman]

As far as rules yes the rest rules are f-tr style rules front bipod and rear rest. No weight limits or anything like that.

CoF you'll either need something that is mag fed as you have to do a reload for the rapid stages. You either shoot 2 and 8 or 5 and 5, just like you do for regular across the course. Reason being is this is opening up a fclass version of across the course.

The RF scores may be lower than traditional XTC but the overall agg score could be the same since you are shooting slow prone at 200 and not offhand. However this doesn't really matter since XTC-F, XTC-P, and XTC scores will all 3 be kept separate just like in a prone matches where sling is seperate from fclass. After shooting and getting some data we can always revisit the target dimensions as we will have the plots from the SMT targets.

 

[243Mendoza]

This match is made for PRS bolt rifles and gas guns!

 

[Boyd L.]

Rev 6:8 comes to mind. How our world has changed.

That’s a pretty extreme analogy. I don’t think a relaxed, informal match is going to bring about apocalyptic-like results. Or at least I hope not.

 

[Heman]

Nope it isn't, just called getting more people on the line. Along with the XTC-F talked above we are also running XTC-P which is course shot from prone with sling. MR-52 will be used for the 200yd stages.

 

[kzin]

You said bipod only.

What about cartridge? F-TR or open rules?

If I build a 224Valkyrie for AR-Tactical could I shoot in this xtc-f?

 

[Heman]

Any cartridge not differtiating into open and tr at this point. As far as rests if like to keep it to bipod and rear bag as opposed to the fopen rests.

 

[gibrass]

This is a great option for prone shooters who no longer shoot XTC. Those that hesitate to drive a long ways for a one-day prone match, can now shoot the whole weekend. TIme to bring the ole AR-15 out of storage.

 

[Ron Gorski]

Where can one buy the MR-52F and SR-3F targets?

 

[kzin]

Where can one buy the MR-52F and SR-3F targets?

They don't officially exist.
I think heman is doing electronic.
If self-printed is good enough pm me for jpg files