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New Guy. why am I here??

First welcome to the forum. Lots of good information and advice here.

My thoughts on your chronograph and concentricity may be a bit different. First on the chronograph, I have an Alpha Master. I really do not think it is a great product. On an individual shot basis it can give fairly frequent well off readings. If the velocity and POI add up, I believe it. If not, I discount the chrony reading as bad. If you average 10 shots or so, then I think the average has some relative accuracy, especially if you throw out the obvious bad readings (Russian Judge Method). I find the unit is much more reliable with only the rods for alignment installed, and not the plastic top thing that always falls off anyway. I think a unit that does not have the remote indicator (Chrony calls it the Master option) and control, would be next to useless. My unit and others I have talked to, say the same, responds to the shock wave from other shooters at the range. It is constantly displaying errors and false velocity readings. The remote unit allows you to record velocities on paper as you go, and reset the thing when it goes stupid (converts to metric) from the shock waves. I don't think you gain much when going up in Chrony models as they seem to use the same basic unit and only add relatively useless bells and whistles. There are a few recent threads on chronographs and you may want to read them before you buy. I suspect there is better than the Chrony out there -- but is the price worth it? Only you can answer.

I'm convinced the chronograph is more useful than a concentricity gauge. The chronograph will explain why changes in temperature and other loading changes effect velocity. It is also helpful in identifying nodes for incremental loading. It will help prevent going in circles due to lack of velocity data.

The problem I have with concentricity is what are you going to do about it? Will you use it to initiate buying better sizing and seating dies? If so, why not spend the money on better dies instead of the gauges to measure it. Same with brass. Better in my view to buy Lapua brass up front rather than buy a gauge to tell you that you should not have bought the cheaper stuff, or worse still used the mixed lot, mixed brand stuff you picked up at the range. The poor mans concentricity gauge is a flat mirror. Just roll the loaded round on the mirror and trust your eye to see wobble to tell you if you have a problem. Also, consider that jamming your bullets will potentially minimize the impact of eccentricity.

Hope that helps some,

Ron
 
Kevin,
Welcome to the board. You are the second entomologist that I know on the forum. Michael Kavanaugh, now a Ltjg in the Navy has his masters in biology and works as a bug research guy in the Navy. He is the most talented stock painter that I have seen. I have seen a lot of them. He will be stationed in San Diego soon. You won't meet a nicer young man. By the way, how do you like the score of "The Ballgame"?
Butch
 
Buy the hornady concentricity gage,I have one and it is a dream.For the chrono,oehler all the way.
 
jonbearman said:
Buy the hornady concentricity gage,I have one and it is a dream.For the chrono,oehler all the way.

Yeah, it's a dream until you check your ammo on a Sinclair style gauge and realize the .001 TIR from the Hornady is closer to .004-.005.

I won't get into it any farther here, but the Hornady tool is far from ideal.
 
The issue that I have with the Hornady design is that the back of the case is supported on the head (below the extractor groove), which is almost certainly not perfectly aligned with the body of the case after one firing.
 
Kevin,
Welcome to the forum. I think Kenny ,Frank,and Wayne all have valuable points. I have been a hunter all my life and the past 10 or 12 years into long range hunting and the last couple of years into longrange br shooting. With all that said if all you are doing is shooting/hunting deer sized animals from 0-300 yards IMO you don't need anything mentioned, all you need is a press, dies and components,have your action bedded barrel floated and your trigger tuned. Thats all there is to it, thats all you really need, other things are nice to have but not neccasary! Now once again with all that said if 300 yards and further is what you are looking for,....well get your wallet out. A chrono is a must, the Oehler 35P is one of the best, but I would go with one of the new infrared units they work much better on cloudy days or after dark. I have a PactII works great, I hear good things about the Pvm-21s. I dont like chronys, they work but are just ok in my book. I think there are other precision loading equipment more inportant than a concentricity guage, you can use a glass table or what ever to see if you have runout. But if you want to know exactly how much runout you have I like the sinclair, the rcbs works ok and I want to buy a Audette. I could write all night long on precision reloading but they would just be my opinions anyway. I like you have allways strived for precision, so with that said I would suguest a book.
Handloading for Competition by Glen Zediker, you will learn more by reading this book than I could ever teach you. I know you are just hunting not competing but the book will help I think.
Wayne.
 
One little observation...hobbies are about want, not need. Very few start out shooting competition. We learn on lesser rifles, and finally take the plunge, having picked up many of the bits and pieces along the way. On the subject of books, I recommend The Accurate Rifle by Warren Page. I might add that if you ever get the chance to shoot a group with a real, tuned up, Benchrest rig, over flags, you will find out that you are better than you ever imagined. Equipment is huge.
 
BoydAllen said:
One little observation...hobbies are about want, not need. Very few start out shooting competition. We learn on lesser rifles, and finally take the plunge, having picked up many of the bits and pieces along the way. On the subject of books, I recommend The Accurate Rifle by Warren Page. I might add that if you ever get the chance to shoot a group with a real, tuned up, Benchrest rig, over flags, you will find out that you are better than you ever imagined. Equipment is huge.
I definitly agree.
 

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