New Cleaning Products...

[titanxt]

Hello All!

I am about to run out of some of my cleaning products and want to give some other brands a try. I have been using Shooter's Choice and Kroil (50/50) for removing carbon fouling and some Shooter's Choice Copper Remover for copper fouling. I am inclined to keep using the SC/Kroil mixture as it seems to perform ok, at least for me. I would like to maybe go back to using Sweets or another copper removing product instead of the SC Copper Remover, mainly because it reeks of ammonia. I also want to get away from the Tetra Gun oil as well. It smells horrible and works so-so. I am also in the market for a good grease.

With that being said what bore cleaning solvents should I give a try and what lubrication should I try?

Andy

 

[LRPV]

Pro shot copper solvent IV.

 

[/VH]

+1 on the Pro-Shot.

 

[FatBoy]

I have had really good results with wipe out foam and accelerator.

 

[ShootDots]

There are two major enemies of accuracy that need to be dealt with at the end of a match day.

1.) Carbon / Hard carbon and 2.) Copper build up.

In order to take care of the former, I use "Bore Tech C4 Carbon Remover".. However, for HARD CARBON, especially when the barrel is a bit on in age and has firecracking, Iosso or JB Paste during this stage of the barrel is almost a must. Prior to firecracking, SOAKING the barrel for a few hours with Bore Tech will get the hard carbon out>>>but it will not, once firecracking has set in to any substantial degree.

Copper Build up is much the same way>>> Although you can get rid of it thru soaking with "Bore Tech CU+2 Copper Remover".. However, since you can't really get rid of Hard Carbon, once firecracking sets in, you need the Iosso or JB and that will also get rid of copper..

Once the barrel gets heavily firecracked, you should be ordering a new barrel as you are nearing "borrowed time"..

 

[gaboon]

+1 On wipe out and accelerator. Followed by JB bore bright paste. Comes out nice and clean.

 

[Baka]

+1 on the Bore Tech products and no smell in the house for the wifey to complain about!

 

[tac284]

There are two major enemies of accuracy that need to be dealt with at the end of a match day.

1.) Carbon / Hard carbon and 2.) Copper build up.

In order to take care of the former, I use "Bore Tech C4 Carbon Remover".. However, for HARD CARBON, especially when the barrel is a bit on in age and has firecracking, Iosso or JB Paste during this stage of the barrel is almost a must. Prior to firecracking, SOAKING the barrel for a few hours with Bore Tech will get the hard carbon out>>>but it will not, once firecracking has set in to any substantial degree.

Copper Build up is much the same way>>> Although you can get rid of it thru soaking with "Bore Tech CU+2 Copper Remover".. However, since you can't really get rid of Hard Carbon, once firecracking sets in, you need the Iosso or JB and that will also get rid of copper..

Once the barrel gets heavily firecracked, you should be ordering a new barrel as you are nearing "borrowed time"..

+1, Pretty darn close to my exact method also.

 

[lpreddick]

If you still like "rolling your own", I discovered an old bench rest mix that works and smells good. Mix hoppes no9 with tc 17 black powder solvent(original formula used hoppes black powder solvent) and adjust the no 9 until the consistency is to your liking. Gets the powder residue nicely. The baked in carbon, as mentioned, requires an abrasive or bronze brush.

 

[Eddie Harren]

If you don't like the strong ammonia smell of SC copper remover, you're not going to like the Sweet's 7.62 any better.

 

[nhm16]

Try KG-12. Check out this archived thread on Sniper's Hide where they let a bullet sit in various copper removal products. The bullet sitting in KG-12 lost the most mass, and not by a small margin either, meaning it was the most effective at removing copper.

Edit: I use Butch's Bore Shine and sometimes KG-1 for general cleaning, KG-12 for copper, and every couple of hundred rounds, JB bore paste on VFG felts.

 

[snakepit]

There are two major enemies of accuracy that need to be dealt with at the end of a match day.

1.) Carbon / Hard carbon and 2.) Copper build up.

In order to take care of the former, I use "Bore Tech C4 Carbon Remover".. However, for HARD CARBON, especially when the barrel is a bit on in age and has firecracking, Iosso or JB Paste during this stage of the barrel is almost a must. Prior to firecracking, SOAKING the barrel for a few hours with Bore Tech will get the hard carbon out>>>but it will not, once firecracking has set in to any substantial degree.

Copper Build up is much the same way>>> Although you can get rid of it thru soaking with "Bore Tech CU+2 Copper Remover".. However, since you can't really get rid of Hard Carbon, once firecracking sets in, you need the Iosso or JB and that will also get rid of copper..

Once the barrel gets heavily firecracked, you should be ordering a new barrel as you are nearing "borrowed time"..

+1 These are the same chemicals and procedures I use and with great results as verified by a borescope.

 

[Joe R]

My bore had streaks of copper that would never come out even after plugging the barrel and soaking it overnight, I considered that copper permanently imbedded in bore, but it didn't seem to affect accuracy.

A friend of mine wanted to look inside his bore and I happen to have a bore scope, so we looked inside his bore and I was amazed how clean his bore was compared to mine. So I asked him what he used and he told me uses Gunslick Foaming Bore Cleaner for carbon and Montana Extreme Copper Killer for copper. To make a long story short, the foam works great on the bore and chamber and I like it a lot now and will not switch again. The foam soaks the top of the barrel and chamber really well. But what amazed me was the Montana Extreme Copper Killer, I followed the instructions on the bottle and over 3 cleanings it removed all copper from my bore including what I considered permanently imbedded copper.

Having said that, I will warn you that the Montana Extreme Copper Killer smells terrible, like a real industrial cleaner. Good ventilation is a must. The first time you get a whiff you'll know what I mean. I use it in the garage with the door wide open. If open air cleaning is not an option look elsewhere.

I've used JB Bore paste but recently switched to Iosso, the toothpaste type dispenser is so convenient that it doesn't compare with JB. However, both do a good job polishing the bore, I use it every 300 rounds.

Another piece of advice. If you don't have a bore scope get one, you'll never know what works until you can see in there. I bought a digital one for $220 because it isn't fragile like the Hawkeye, and its good enough for me.

Kindest regards,

Joe

 

[jonbearman]

I use the copper killer and in the basement I use very little as the ammonia will wake a dead man. However it does a really splendid job. I also use Iosso after about 300 rounds and use it to keep carbon rings in check.

 

[Joe R]

nhm16 said:
Try KG-12. Check out this archived thread on Sniper's Hide where they let a bullet sit in various copper removal products. The bullet sitting in KG-12 lost the most mass, and not by a small margin either, meaning it was the most effective at removing copper.

nhm16,
I was using KG-12 before I switched to Montana Extreme Copper Killer (MECK), as a matter of fact I still use their pointy/eyedrop container because it's very useful, I just refill it with MECK. I'm not saying this to start a war, it's just a statement of fact. You should consider using it, you'll be amazed if you see in there.

By the way I don't have any affiliation to Montana Extreme, none of my relatives work ME, I'm just a satisfied user.

Kindest regards,

Joe

 

[nosualc]

I'm a huge fan of Wipe-Out foam. First, because it does one helluva job, especially on copper. Second, because it requires so little effort. Squirt it in, let it sit for a few hours - even overnight, patch it out, done.

I keep a close eye on things with a borescope and after 400-500 rounds I'll use JB to get after any stubborn carbon.

The point is to keep on top of your barrels cleanliness with a regular "good enough" cleaning regime; a 100% spotless barrel is neither necessary or advantageous.

-nosualc

 

[titanxt]

Does the KG12 smell bad? Not that its a deal-breaker, just wondering.

What about lubrication? There are 500 different products out there. I am looking for a good oil and a grease.

Thank you !!!!

Andy

 

[BoydAllen]

For bolt actions, for the lugs, cocking cam, and shroud threads, I am a big fan of Pro Shot Gold. IMO one needs grease, not oil, in all of those locations. I have also used it on barrel threads, although there are better products for that.

 

[nhm16]

Does the KG12 smell bad? Not that its a deal-breaker, just wondering.

It doesn't smell bad (not saying it smells good). No strong ammonia smell either.

 

[eric n]

I can attest to kg12's copper removing abilities.
A stuck bullet then a wood dowel.... you know the rest of the story :
After banging away and then trying to hydraulic it out, I finally gave up. Before going to the smith I put some kg12 in the breach and walked away for 2 days... Decided to try one more time, picked up the barrel and the bullet fell out. The bearing surface and ogive were .003 smaller then a new one.
I know this has nothing to do with cleaning but it most certainly removes copper.