Need Thoughts On Shooting 200/100 instead of 100/200 At VFS Matches.

[jackieschmidt]

I will be the Registered NBRSA VFS Match Director for the Tomball Gun Club next year.

As most know, the vast majority of Matches start at 100 in the morning and move to 200 in the afternoon.

I am considering swapping the Format for at least one of our two Registered Matches. That being, starting at 200 in the morning and moving back to 100 in the afternoon.

One advantage of this is there will be easier gathering flags in the late afternoon, as well as setting them for the 100 in the afternoon.

The downside is many shooters believe the overall champion is usually the best 200 yard shooter. Many thing it will be over in the morning if someone has a really good 200 effort.

I have to make a decision which way to go before I submit my Match Contracts to the Region Director.


What are your thoughts.?

 

[Silo1616]

I'm for it. We shot that format at the Denton club matches with no lunch break - definitely faster.
Besides, I'd rather deal with the afternoon mirage at 100yrds.

Mike Green (NBRSA Gulf Coast Region member)

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Just my two cents but we've done it both ways. I actually prefer 100 first because so often, the 200 winner is the match winner. So, the match is pretty much done after the first yardage. Not always, but often. Other than that very big reason...I prefer everything else about shooting 200 first. But all combined, still not enough, imho

 

[Shooter13]

I know different format (UBR) we tried it and returned to 100/200, hope it works out for you. Give it a shot, I'll follow along and see the results.

 

[20PPC]

Jackie
we've been doing it that way in IBS for the last 6 or 7 years.
In a 2 yardage match as you're suggesting it does sometimes allow you a number of times to be able to guess who the winner will be after the 200 yard match.
With that being said since the start of this format the 100 yard scores have dropped significantly and even dropping points is no longer a rare occurrence.
With our 3 yardage 1-2-300 matches its never over until the last shot is fired.

 

[JoeDuke]

Jackie
we've been doing it that way in IBS for the last 6 or 7 years.
In a 2 yardage match as you're suggesting it does sometimes allow you a number of times to be able to guess who the winner will be after the 200 yard match.
With that being said since the start of this format the 100 yard scores have dropped significantly and even dropping points is no longer a rare occurrence.
With our 3 yardage 1-2-300 matches its never over until the last shot is fired.

Dave, its interesting that the 100 scores have dropped significantly. Has there been a corresponding increase in the 200 yard scores?

 

[Shooter13]

Jackie
we've been doing it that way in IBS for the last 6 or 7 years.
In a 2 yardage match as you're suggesting it does sometimes allow you a number of times to be able to guess who the winner will be after the 200 yard match.
With that being said since the start of this format the 100 yard scores have dropped significantly and even dropping points is no longer a rare occurrence.
With our 3 yardage 1-2-300 matches its never over until the last shot is fired.

It definitely effects the 100 yard scores!!

 

[20PPC]

Dave, its interesting that the 100 scores have dropped significantly. Has there been a corresponding increase in the 200 yard scores?

Honestly Joe it doesn't seem that it has , at least not in X count.
The key to winning 200 is and always will be shooting clean.
My guess as to why the 100 yard scores are much lower seem to reflect how the wind and mirage always picks up in the afternoon down here.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Honestly Joe it doesn't seem that it has , at least not in X count.
The key to winning 200 is and always will be shooting clean.
My guess as to why the 100 yard scores are much lower seem to reflect how the wind and mirage always picks up in the afternoon down here.

It’s like that 90% of the time at Tomball.

 

[RRoe]

My thoughts on it as I'm the match director for Ashe county UBR shoots this year I started the 200 yd first then 100 yd 200 in the morning don't deal with the marage as bad setting flags are easier at 100 just bring them in and at 100 in the afternoon is a little trickie and it's faster for some reason 46 guns 2 relays done at 230 and started at 9 most of that is the target crew all mine will be the same next year

 

[ELR LVR]

I will be the Registered NBRSA VFS Match Director for the Tomball Gun Club next year.

As most know, the vast majority of Matches start at 100 in the morning and move to 200 in the afternoon.

I am considering swapping the Format for at least one of our two Registered Matches. That being, starting at 200 in the morning and moving back to 100 in the afternoon.

One advantage of this is there will be easier gathering flags in the late afternoon, as well as setting them for the 100 in the afternoon.

The downside is many shooters believe the overall champion is usually the best 200 yard shooter. Many thing it will be over in the morning if someone has a really good 200 effort.

I have to make a decision which way to go before I submit my Match Contracts to the Region Director.


What are your thoughts.?

Well, if what you say is true
Then if you do really good at the 200 in the morning, you may rest easy for the rest of the day.

 

[WayneShaw]

I like the 200/100 format.

 

[WyleWD]

I like the 200/100 format.

+1^^^^ Personally, I like the 200/100 better if the shooters are OK with it and there is no rule to say it HAS to be 100 then 200. Also agree with 20PPC in that wind and or mirage may affect the 100 yd scores. It might be a thought to run your first match 100/200 and poll the shooters and see if they have a preference and set up the second match format accordingly.(?) JME. WD

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I will be the Registered NBRSA VFS Match Director for the Tomball Gun Club next year.

As most know, the vast majority of Matches start at 100 in the morning and move to 200 in the afternoon.

I am considering swapping the Format for at least one of our two Registered Matches. That being, starting at 200 in the morning and moving back to 100 in the afternoon.

One advantage of this is there will be easier gathering flags in the late afternoon, as well as setting them for the 100 in the afternoon.

The downside is many shooters believe the overall champion is usually the best 200 yard shooter. Many thing it will be over in the morning if someone has a really good 200 effort.

I have to make a decision which way to go before I submit my Match Contracts to the Region Director.


What are your thoughts.?

I dont have an opinion but I applaud you for asking the shooters what they want.

 

[steve210]

I like the 200- 100 format, it is easier about setting flags and quicker. The longer ranges always determine the winner as it should be.

 

[20PPC]

I typically shoot at 7 sanctioned clubs and a couple local matches every year so I get to see a lot of variety in different clubs.
Each one has its own characteristics some like Orangeburg, Palmeto and Rattlesnake you have to deal with horrendous mirage.
Others like Piedmont Ashe county and GA. Mountain are typically fairly consistent with low mirage with Ga. Mountain having set multiple records.
It all depends on the range and what it's own set of characteristics is that would determine what will work as far as what yardage to start out with.
That and what the shooters decide what will work best for them.

 

[AlNyhus]

I'm strongly against the 200/100 format for Score tournaments.

-If several excellent scores are shot at 200 in the morning, it's going to be virtually impossible for anyone to put together a 100 that will get them a win-place-show in the Grand. The top 200 finishers would have to make some serious mistakes at 100 for that to happen.

-Shooting the 200 later in the day really levels the playing field. In most cases, conditions tend to be a bit more challenging later in the day, showing who's really on top of reading the flags and doping the conditions.

-The reality is that for all intents and purposes, the 100-200 Grand would be over after the 200 is shot in the morning.

-With a 100-200 format, many shooters are still alive for the win until the last round is fired at 200.

I'll personalize this a bit. Earlier this season at Webster City, I did the unthinkable in the VFS 100-200 and shot a '9' at 100 yds. At the afternoon 200, I shot the only 250 and won the 200. With the 200 win, I ended up 2nd in the Grand...even having dropped a point at 100. Had it not been for shooting the 200 in the afternoon, I could have just as well packed my gear up after I shot that '9' at 100 and headed the 225 miles back home. Instead, I was still alive for the Grand, since we had the 200 to shoot.

After a long hot day, my butt is dragging as much as anyone's pulling flags. But flags are part of the deal. We generally team up to set and pull flags so it's no biggie.

Jackie, I do commend your approach of giving the shooters at your club what they want.

Good shootin' -Al

 

[jackieschmidt]

Since these are Registered Region Matches, we get shooters from different parts of Texas and Louisiana.
I certainly do not wish to cause shooters to decide to NOT attend because of the Format.

The idea of doing the February Match 200/100 and then the Texas State in April the usual 100/200 might be the best way to see how shooters like it.

I still have a little time before my Contracts are due in.

 

[SSeal]

I will add a question to the discussion.
Should a record which has been set at a match shot in the 200-100 format hold the same weight as a record shot in the traditional way?

 

[Websurfer]

Hi Jackie
I’m 100% against changing the format to 200 yards first. As many folks have said already, under the 200 yards first, if you drop even 1 point, you’re pretty much out of running for the agg. Why choose a format where many of the competitors will be out of the running so quickly? Many, many competitors shoot 250’s at 100 already, so the 200 yard match (if shot first) already very likely determines the winners.
When shooting 100 yards first, maybe half the competitors shoot clean. However, even those who drop a point or two could still excel at 200 and still have a chance at 200 and at the agg. This DOES NOT work in reverse - shoot 200 first and the match is OVER for most competitors, no matter how well they do at 100. If you drop 2 points at 200, why even stick around and shoot at 100????????
It’s a bad rule change, will discourage most shooters at a time we are trying to grow the sport, and will most likely lead to even fewer competitors showing up.
Thanks for asking for opinions.