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Need Help with first reloading setup

Hi everyone, been on the forum a while and time to dive into it.

I have another thread coming up on the 6.5,7mm forum on double checking a gun setup.

My dad and I are getting into long range shooting and playing around with some custom guns. My dad used to reload 20yrs ago but got out of it as business didn't allow the spare time anymore. We are waning to get back into it.

Will be shooting a custom 7mmrem and .284 out to 1000yrds and want to get a decent reloading setup.

Before we just jump out and get a RCBS kit. I've read a lot of people saying your better off building your own setup from pieces.

I know this will get into personal preference, but wanted to see if you guys could help me put together a solid kit for reloading for 1000yrd accuracy. I know the RCBS kits are fairly cost effective and if they work good enough then fine. But we would pay a little more now to have better equipment for the long haul. I don't want to break the bank here we are not going to compete but we do shoot a lot and want to make sure we don't short change our self right off the bat.
 
It all depends on your budget. The kit is a good value, particularly if you catch a sale, but not if you have to go back and replace things. Long distance target shooting has more stringent requirements than general purpose reloading. Because RCBS has such an exceptional warranty, you can buy clean used equipment with confidence, and mixing brands may have some advantages. I know bullet makers who favor the Lee Classic Cast Iron press for its, as is alignment, and that task is more demanding than reloading. The older RCBS balance scales, and some of the Redding scales are more suitable for being tuned up (which yields much better performance) than current production RCBS scales. I am not a big fan of the Uniflow measure, and so it goes. I prefer to look at tools as individual purchases rather than simply staying with one brand. The place to spend your money is on your reloading dies. Avoid the typical one piece dies for any precision work. I find it common for fellows to spend more than they have to on everything else in their reloading kit and use cheap dies. Although there are inexpensive options that work well, you will probably need a little guidance to discover them.
 
I would get the kit. And get quality dies. That press is solid and so is the powner measure. Some places have them on sale right now.
Hi everyone, been on the forum a while and time to dive into it.

I have another thread coming up on the 6.5,7mm forum on double checking a gun setup.

My dad and I are getting into long range shooting and playing around with some custom guns. My dad used to reload 20yrs ago but got out of it as business didn't allow the spare time anymore. We are waning to get back into it.

Will be shooting a custom 7mmrem and .284 out to 1000yrds and want to get a decent reloading setup.

Before we just jump out and get a RCBS kit. I've read a lot of people saying your better off building your own setup from pieces.

I know this will get into personal preference, but wanted to see if you guys could help me put together a solid kit for reloading for 1000yrd accuracy. I know the RCBS kits are fairly cost effective and if they work good enough then fine. But we would pay a little more now to have better equipment for the long haul. I don't want to break the bank here we are not going to compete but we do shoot a lot and want to make sure we don't short change our self right off the bat.


Chadwick71,
Ditto on what Boyd wrote. Personally, get the press. but not the kit. I've been down that road before and what you find as you go along, is that more often than not, the Press stays as a constant, but you end up changing and rebuying all the other stuff that's in the kit. Simply, you find equipment that is better and fits your personal reloading needs better. It's not that RCBS doesn't make good quality stuff because they do. I've been using their smaller Rangemaster electronic powder scale for years, but hate their little 510 (or whatever that damn beam scale is). And since 21st Century has started manufacturing equipment, I've moved over to their equipment in various forms. So PERSONALLY, buy the scale and then see what the pros and cons are of other equipment on the market. The basic kits stuff works fine if you only load for hunting. But if you get into the more acute Benchrest accuracy shooting, you'll definitely need to upgrade your reloading equipment to be able to compete (successfully) or even create more accurate rounds. Just my .02 worth. Good luck and have fun.

Alex
 
Depends on how important budget is. You can load competitive ammo through anything from an rcbs, Hornaday progressive, redding or what seems to be the unicorn the forester coax. The best shooters/reloaders I have talked to use the forester coax for sizing and a Wilson inline bullet seater. Does it make it the best. Probably not. But worth consideration. You may also want to decide what features you want before hand. Like the shell holders that are offered In different heights. They are nice for fine tuning a load but will not work with say the forester or Hornady. I also saw a micrometer adjuster that can be put below the lock nut on sizing dies. I forget the brand but that can't be used with some like the forester. Certain micrometer bullet sweaters only work with certain presses. A lot to consider.
 
Hi everyone, been on the forum a while and time to dive into it.

I have another thread coming up on the 6.5,7mm forum on double checking a gun setup.

My dad and I are getting into long range shooting and playing around with some custom guns. My dad used to reload 20yrs ago but got out of it as business didn't allow the spare time anymore. We are waning to get back into it.

Will be shooting a custom 7mmrem and .284 out to 1000yrds and want to get a decent reloading setup.

Before we just jump out and get a RCBS kit. I've read a lot of people saying your better off building your own setup from pieces.

I know this will get into personal preference, but wanted to see if you guys could help me put together a solid kit for reloading for 1000yrd accuracy. I know the RCBS kits are fairly cost effective and if they work good enough then fine. But we would pay a little more now to have better equipment for the long haul. I don't want to break the bank here we are not going to compete but we do shoot a lot and want to make sure we don't short change our self right off the bat.
you really cant go wrong getting a rcbs rock chucker kit and right now they are on sale for $300 with a rebate on them. I will tell you my story as I have a 1000yd range at my house. I will try to save you some money based on what I did. best thing is I went to berger bullets and had to learn to reload all over this is how good these bullets are for long range! if you are shooting belted cases get a larry willis headspace gauge and you wont be sorry it will save you a bunch of time and reload great shells. I have a 7mm mag that I just took out to 1820yds and won are little shoot and this was the 12th time the brass was reloaded. rcbs also has a great warrenty as I had a die that I got in 1971 and I broke the decapping rod and I called them to order it and they said no problem and sent me a new one no charge!!! if you reload a lot you might get other things but the rcbs is a great place to start. as I have said you shoot berger you will shoot better.
 
What Mr. Allen said. I started out with RCBS but have changed out everything over time. Now I use a Coax press and mostly Redding or Forster dies. I still use RCBS dies for a couple of my hunting rifles. I also still use a Lee handpriming tool and Lee Collet neck sizing dies, so things don't have to be expensive to be good.
 
One of the first things I'd do is find a competition shooter/reloaded near you. He will be able to give you a lot of insite into presision reloading. A mentor is worth a thousand posts. Reloading equipment, here lies a problem. Truth is the really good stuff ain't cheap. Most of us started off with something and over the years moved up to something better. The "Buy once cry once" theory comes into play. I'll bet most of us have a cabinet dedicated to the "STDW" stuff that don't work anymore. Not that it doesn't work it's just been replaced by a newer better item. I prefer the Forster coax press, more expensive than the others but I feel it has advantages over the others. Scale: nothing wrong with a good beam scale whether it's a Dillon, RCBS or other. Besides a lot of the brands are made by Ohas anyway. Dies: don't skimp here. These may be the most important part of the reloading setup. Redding, Forster Benchrest you can't go wrong.
 
...I know the RCBS kits are fairly cost effective and if they work good enough then fine. But we would pay a little more now to have better equipment for the long haul. I don't want to break the bank here...

I started with that kit. The only thing I still use is the Rock Chucker, I had bought a Co-Ax but decided to just keep the Rock. All above is sound advice. Yes you will likely replace or upgrade most the items over time, but the value is there (<$300+shipping with rebate closer to $275total). I still find myself every once and a while using pieces from the kit. Just like last night. Whatever you don't use you can sell.

If you have an idea of what you need and/or want than buy everything separately, otherwise I'm fairly certain you may be overwhelmed by the options.

I'll bet if you examined some these gentleman's reloading bench you would see hundreds to thousands of $$$ in equipment. Keep it simple just buy the kit.

P.S. For what it's worth for "a little more" you won't get any improvement. The Forster Co-Ax press costs more than what you can buy that entire kit for. RCBS Chargemaster 1500 may be another early purchase...it also costs about $300, a scientific scale $450-1000.
 
I have never used a Rock Chucker, so I can't comment on the quality. I bought a Redding Big Boss II as my first press, and I am still using it. I don't think it lacks for anything. I have since bought an arbor press and Wilson dies to seat bullets, and use the BBII for everything else. Very happy with this set up.

The BBII has a nice depriming arrangement. The primers go down through the ram through a hose so primer junk doesn't get all over the place. I open the hose and let the primers fall into a plastic bin with a zip lock baggie in it.

I also started with Whidden dies, both sizing and micrometer seaters. I have used them now in 3 calibers. I think they are a very good die and a good value.
 
Thanks for all the replies. I laughed a little when reading, most say buy the kit but you'll replace it. lol

Just my thinking seems like the powder scale would be very important along with seating the bullets correctly and repetitively. Im not doing any necking up brass or fireforming so no need for anything involved there. good press, good powder scale, good dies, good seating depth meter for consistency.

If I can stay under $1000 not including dies and have a solid setup for loading to 1000yrds i'd be happy... can that be done.
 
I wrote up a summary of my reloading kit on another forum a while back in response to a similar "What should I get" question. There was a lot of debate about whether to get a kit, or buy nicer individual components and whether to weigh each charge or use a automated powder dispenser like the RCBS Chargemaster. I'll cut and paste it below since it might be of some help to you....

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I've walked down the same path you are looking at, and I'm very much a research all my options guy so I've looked at a lot of these individual components. I'm also a big fan of buy for value, not to just spend money on the best. Here's my list of items currently in use and breakdown of their cost/value to me.

Rockchucker Supreme Kit - $250 after rebate
Good press, no complaints at all. I like the hand priming tool, works great and is fast. Not the nicest option out there, but no need to spend more. The powder drop works fine for me, but I'm just using it for a rough throw and then weighing every round individually trickling up to the final weight. Case lube and pad works well too, I can roll 10 cases at a time on it, then will rub just a little on the neck with my fingertips as I size them. Goes very fast. Reloading manual is good to have, but I probably use online reloading manuals just as much if not more. Just a reference point. Still use the case neck brush and champfer/deburr hand tools. I sometimes will chuck the brush head in a drill for faster cleaning, and if I'm trimming (Lee trimmer) then the case is already chucked in the drill and you can spin the case while you trim, champfer, deburr, and clean the neck with the various hand tools. No wrist pain. I will do a touch up champfer/debur even when I'm not trimming and that I will do by hand with the tool. It's super fast and easy IMHO, just a few seconds per case and no real effort required. I don't like the big green cartridge holding block. I bought some of the blue Franklin loading blocks that have a smaller footprint and hold the cases better. I don't use the 505 scale anymore. It works, but you should only expect +/- 0.1g accuracy from it based on my testing.

Hornady OAL, bullet comparator, and headspace tools. ~$70
This is a must have. One of the biggest components of precision reloading is knowing the headspace of your brass when sizing, the distance of the bullet to the lands of your rifling, and the measurement of your case base to bullet ogive when seating bullets. There's a couple other tools/ways to do this, but I like these tools a lot.

Acculab VIC-123 digital scale - $125
This was a $300 scale that I got a good deal on by buying used. Works great and is accurate to 0.02g. If I didn't have this I would be using the GemPro 250. I found it MUCH more accurate than the RCBS 505 scale, which I no longer use.

Powder trickler - $20-60
Started with an RCBS hand trickler, then on impulse purchased an Omega powered trickler for $60. If you are trying to accurately weigh each charge then a trickler is a must have. The Omega trickler works well and is a nice little luxury for an extra $40.

Flash hole deburring tool - $15
Only used this on the initial prep of my Remington headstamp brass, essentially a one time tool. Don't think I'd need it if I were using Lapua brass only. More of a "peace of mind" kind of optional purchase.

Redding primer pocket uniforming tool - $20

Primer pocket uniforming is another of those optional things that probably doesn't make a huge difference. However, what I find this tool really useful for is cleaning primer pockets every time I reload. I use this tool chucked in a hand drill and it is very fast to clean out the primer pockets after depriming. It doesn't really cut any additional brass on the repeat uses, but it does clean out all the carbon nicely. Well worth buying IMO.

Lyman 1200 Tumbler - $45 + media
I use corn cob media with a tiny dab of car wax and metal polish added for nice, shiny brass. I tumble first, then deprime/size. I use a cotton t-shirt to wipe the case lube off the brass.

Lee Case trimmer stud/holder - $13
Includes a holder to chuck the case into a cordless drill, then a cutter stud. Once the case is chucked in the drill you can also clean the lube off the case with a t-shirt, champfer/debur, and use a brush inside the case neck... all while spinning the case. The main thing I like about this cutter is that it's cheap, and it does the job fine.

Hand held blow torch, hand drill 1/4" drive chuck, long socket to hold the case (all for annealing) - $25

I anneal the case necks for consistent neck tension and to prolong the life of the brass. Use a metronome and a torch/drill, read up on how to properly anneal without overheating the brass.

Extras - $30-60
Hornady Lock Rings for dies (very nice), shell holder, digital calipers (I like the iGaging Absolute Origin as a halfway point between cheap-o and Mitutoyo), universal decapping die for if you want to deprime without sizing, bullet puller, extra bushings for your dies.

Redding Competion Bushing Die Set - $150 (used)
I like the Redding Type-S full length bushing die set. You choose your desired neck tension based on the thickness of your brass neck (measure a loaded round) then purchase the appropriate bushing that's .001 or .002 smaller. I size without using the expander button. There are lots of other options out there like the Lee Collett dies which are also well regarded. What I *really* value is the competition bullet seating die. It's super nice to be able to adjust the seating depth on the fly, down to .001", just by spinning the adjustment dial. I would find it very frustrating to try to control bullet seating depth and adjust base to ogive measurements using a traditional seating die.

So the grand total on all this is pushing $750. You'll note that this is a more complete kit than others might have listed, but it's also a pretty honest assessment of the type of tools you're likely to get. Nothing here is that extravagant. Yes, you can buy cheaper dies and skipping the digital scale will save some money. What I would suggest is to make an evaluation of what type of person you are and what type of reloading you're after. If you are someone who is meticulous enough to want to get each powder charge measured accurately down to the kernel of powder then the kit above is probably the cheapest way to tackle that. It's a more time consuming way to do things, and the resulting difference in bullet velocity variation is probably not that huge... maybe the difference between an SD of 5 or an SD of 10fps and an extra 3-4 inches of vertical variation at 1000 yards. Subtle stuff in the grand scheme of things.

If you think that you won't enjoy longer reloading sessions meticulously measuring things, but you want to make a higher volume of good (enough) quality ammo, then you could look at a different approach. Get an RCBS Chargemaster and skip the kit since you don't need the powder drop, beam scale, or trickler. Then maybe something like a case prep center. Cost would be a tiny bit more, but loading would be significantly faster. You could make more ammo and/or you'd spend less time reloading overall, but at the cost of a little bit of precision. If you're type-A like some of us are, it's hard to give up that little bit of control. And I personally don't mind time at the reloading bench.

This is a somewhat philosophical question, so it's hard to give a new reloader the advice of "buy once cry once" or "just get a kit".
 
Depends on how important budget is. You can load competitive ammo through anything from an rcbs, Hornaday progressive, redding or what seems to be the unicorn the forester coax. The best shooters/reloaders I have talked to use the forester coax for sizing and a Wilson inline bullet seater. Does it make it the best. Probably not. But worth consideration. You may also want to decide what features you want before hand. Like the shell holders that are offered In different heights. They are nice for fine tuning a load but will not work with say the forester or Hornady. I also saw a micrometer adjuster that can be put below the lock nut on sizing dies. I forget the brand but that can't be used with some like the forester. Certain micrometer bullet sweaters only work with certain presses. A lot to consider.
Myself self I would get a forester press and dies. And a charge master . Larry
 
Yes for under $1,000

Rockchucker kit - $220(ish) /w Rebate from MidwayUSA
This kit is actually better but out of stock.
http://ads.midwayusa.com/product/828368/rcbs-reloader-special-5-explorer-plus-single-stage-press-kit

RCBS CM 1500 - $250(ish) /w Rebate $300 normally
or
A&D FX120i - $450 (Cambridge Enviro) I'd personally recommend this.

Imperial Sizing Wax - $8

Tumbler - $40-100
Corn cob or Walnut media - $20
Brass polish -$10
or Wet Tumbling - $200+

Calipers (electronic) - $20

Powder Measure Stand - $20 (If you buy the CM than won't need this and you can actually sell the 5-0-5 scale and manual powder measure to recoup some money)

Brass Quality - $200-$300 or go cheap and invest more effort sorting, etc.

If you buy Lapua or Norma brass you can with-hold Uniforming primer pockets and deburring flash holes, two steps that are a PITA and would also cost maybe an extra $40+ in equipment. You can later choose to do these if you want further consistency.

Quality Dies - $200(ish) Micrometer adjustment is nice / Seating sleeve helps with concentricity


This will get you started, concentricity gauge, neck turning tool, annealing set up, are other future purchases. You should be able to "get out to 1,000" with the above set up if your rifle and scope are capable.
 
One of the first things I'd do is find a competition shooter/reloaded near you. He will be able to give you a lot of insite into presision reloading. A mentor is worth a thousand posts. Reloading equipment, here lies a problem. Truth is the really good stuff ain't cheap. Most of us started off with something and over the years moved up to something better. The "Buy once cry once" theory comes into play..... snip........
When you have no knowledge in a particular field, a guy with a lot of buzz words can appear to be a real expert. People I see regularly at the range, who at first appeared to really know their stuff when I was just starting out reloading, I no realize are actually mostly full of B.S. Yes, a genuine mentor can be invaluable, but a beginner may not be able to properly vet a person posing as a helpful expert. Ask for advice, but be careful of linking up with a "life coach" and blindly following his advice.

Then, there is the equipment. Yes, the expensive stuff is generally good, but the choices are many. An expensive bushing die is a nice thing, but if it sits on the shelf because the reloader prefers to use a collet die then not only does the beginner cry twice, he beats his head against the wall too.

I would not recommend buying bargain basement junk to save money, because in truth reloading isn't inexpensive. But a decent kit with a press which is good enough to serve in the future (perhaps as a single task specialty press alongside a progressive press for instance) makes sense even if some (or even most)of the other kit stuff will be replaced as time goes by. After gaining experience, the new reloader can gradually upgrade his gear based on his acquired knowledge.

There are simply too many ways to skin a cat and too much expensive gear for the beginner to make an informed choice without first gaining some background and experience. What works for one guy may not work for another.
 
I know this will get into personal preference, but wanted to see if you guys could help me put together a solid kit for reloading for 1000yrd accuracy. I know the RCBS kits are fairly cost effective and if they work good enough then fine. But we would pay a little more now to have better equipment for the long haul. I don't want to break the bank here we are not going to compete but we do shoot a lot and want to make sure we don't short change our self right off the bat.

The most expensive thing about shooting isn't the rifle, barrel, or reloading equipment. It is the bullet (add up the cost and you'll see I'm right), and you don't want to waste them hitting the wrong places. Truth is 1K yards is an extreme sport so precision is the name of the game. It takes time, money and aptitude for details. Two out of three won't work. So a $1,000 budget may be tough because the scales are expensive but essential.

Reloading equipment that really improved the quality of my handloads besides Berger or JLK bullets are:

1. Redding Type S dies with bushings.

2. The RCBS Chargemaster combo http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloadi...r-powder-dispenser-scale-combo-prod33642.aspx

3. Forster co-ax

4. FART :) http://www.midwayusa.com/product/71...-platinum-series-rotary-case-tumbler-110-volt

5. Wilson seating die http://www.midwayusa.com/product/49...r-type-micrometer-seater-die-7mm-08-remington

I believe I'm well over a $1,000 right there and you'll definitely need the A&D FX120i, calipers, micrometer, harbor press etc....;)

Good luck,

Joe
 
I would recommend going a la carte. Before getting into rifle reloading, I was a pistol reloader. For pistol, I loaded with a Dillon progressive and it came all in a kit. Worked just fine for USPSA and IPSC. Then I started loading for rifle later in life for hunting and plinking. I purchased a used Rock Chucker and RCBS dies locally for that simply because I did not know any better. The RC worked out great for loading hunting rounds and I used much of the Dillon equipment from my pistol set up. As I got into rifle competition and long range I have upgraded the calibers, rifles, bullets and brass and also have upgraded dies for my competition guns (Redding and Forster). The Rockchucker has become the cornerstone of this set up and I find that it works great for making high quality, strait ammunition. I would say that you can get away with a beam scale for measuring powder charges. I have found digital scales to be frustrating and untrustworthy for precision reloading. Its faster to throw a charge then trickle up. I use a dillon scale for this along with a USB camera set up in a fixed position to the beam scale (also in a fixed position). Nice large image of the balance lines and no bending or squinting, same view every time. I think an RCBS 10-10 would be a better scale option, but have not seen the need to change yet. To seat primers, I have a K&M hand primer. So in the end you cant go wrong buying an RC (or Redding or Forster) press and then getting upgraded tooling around the set up.
 
I still use my original Rock Chucker kit I bought back in the seventy's. I buy good dies. I "borrow" funnels from my doctor. I make my own shell holders from a block of scrap wood. I bought a used trickler for a buck at a garage sale. Yes, I can squeeze a nickel till it screams. Just me. Now, that said, I don't compete. Just me and my buddies for fun. I do spend a small fortune on guns. Go figure.:-)
 

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