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Need advice on flying with rifles

Schandler

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Never carried any firearms anywhere out of state and i will be flying to Wyoming late September. I want to take 2 or 3 rifles with ammo on the airline. I have a padded case and it’s great for the car but not sure about flying with it. I’ve flown just enough to know how strict they are about stuff. My bud I’m going with is reading about all the rules but would like to hear any suggestions you have. Also any advice you have for hunting prairie dogs including laws out there. My friend says you don’t even have to have hunting license to shoot them. Appreciate any input here.
 
  1. Rifle must be unloaded.
  2. Cases must be locked, and you must lock every place there is for a lock, so if the case has 4 lock holes you need 4 locks or they won't take it. Don't use TSA locks on cases. (I use combination locks and they are all set to the same combo)
  3. Many airlines have gotten really picky about ammo packaging, make sure you know. I had an AA agent who was very proud to tell me that they had denied a LEO going somewhere because his ammo wasn't properly packaged. In any case "click-it-clam" cases solve that. They have become the standard for many of us on the US F-TR team.
  4. Remove scopes and put them in your carryon bag.
  5. Max ammo in your baggage is 11 lbs (about 150 or so rounds of 308 loaded with 200gr bullets)
  6. You will get hit for an extra baggage charge. Be aware of how much more each bag is, it ramps up fast.
  7. Bags over 50lbs get hit for an over weight charge, usually $75+, that is in addition to the excess baggage charge. Remember the charges are x2 if you are bringing your stuff back.
I've gotten smarter and have a baggage scale to keep my loading under weight. The last time I didn't it cost me about $350 in charges.

If you want to ship ammo to your destination, ship it UPS ORM-D. This is another place the click-it-clam cases come in handy. You can get a lot of ammo in a small box. I shipped enough ammo to PHX for the SWN to shoot MR, LR, and all the team shooting we did for about $30. Just make sure you ship it well in advance, it's going on a truck and it can take a week to two weeks to get there.
 
drive. no problem & u have car when u get there. good luck. steve

I agree that driving is preferable to flying, but there are times when that is just not an option.

For me shooting the SWN in PHX would be a 2600 mile drive - each way, or going to South Africa for the world championships, they haven't built that bridge across the Atlantic yet.
 
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  1. Don't use TSA locks on cases. (I use combination locks and they are all set to the same combo)

The last time I flew, I did just that. My rifle didn't make the trip with me, and was diverted from IAD, to DFW, and finally on to LAX 6 hours later.

I was told by the TSA @ LAX that if the locks on gun cases aren't TSA locks, then the locks will be cut off, the firearm re-inspected, and then the lock holes locked shut with zip ties. This caused my rifle to miss my flight, and take a separate, later flight. None of that, is remotely legal, but the TSA excercised that option anyways.

I was furious, to have to return to LAX at 4PM (after arriving at 10AM), only to find my @4K smallbore competition rifle sitting by the carousel unattended, and zip tied shut.

YMMV.
 
I’ve always had the contents inspected by TSA, they put their card inside and observe me placing NON TSA locks, they put their ‘inspected’ sticker on The exterior and off it goes. I was told by TSA to put a non TSA lock on after inspection.
 

How long ago was this?

Please read and understand all of the rules posted on the INDIVIDUAL airline websites and those rules posted on the TSA website before booking any flight on which you will be transporting firearms.

I fly with competition rifles, usually once a month and I have NEVER run into any problems with airlines or TSA. You are responsible for reading and understanding their rules. 'rardoin' just stated the exact explanation:

Upon arrival you must go to the ticketing counter. At your turn, approach the agent and let them know you need to declare a firearm for inspection. They direct you to the TSA inspection area where an officer will have YOU open the case in front of them. They perform the inspection, place an acceptance card inside that case then have YOU re-lock it with the locks of your choice. They have always been polite and know their job.

Not all airlines use the same rules so it's important to find the current rules and read them before booking any flights. If you want a real 'come to Jesus' confrontation about Firearms and airlines, try flying British Airlines.:eek::mad: You best be in lock step with their rules long before booking a flight!:mad: In point of fact, I skip BA if I have to fly to the UK. :D

Ammunition is a nuisance if you're competing. Our volume is far higher than is allowed by the airline's rules. You need a friend, acquaintance, hotel, or shooting group which will receive and hold ammunition for you before your arrival. Many hotels/motels will hold a package addressed to yourself when shipped to them. Call first to make these arrangements. Be sure to pick it up with ID on arrival at their establishment.

And just for fun, here are the rules published by Southwest Airlines:

Guns and Ammunition
Guns

  • Customers are responsible for knowing and following the firearms laws of the state(s) that they will be traveling to, from, and through.
  • Our Customers must declare the gun to the Customer Service Agent at the ticket counter (no firearms will be accepted curbside) and ensure that the firearm(s) chambers are free of ammunition and the magazine clip has been removed (when applicable). Paintball guns and BB guns are considered the same as all other firearms.
  • Paintball guns are allowed in checked baggage and are not subject to the container requirements of firearms. Customers must declare the paintball gun to the Customer Service Agent at the ticket counter. Compressed gas cylinders are allowed in checked baggage or as a carryon only if the regulator valve is completely disconnected from the cylinder and the cylinder is no longer sealed (i.e., the cylinder has an open end). TSA Security Screeners must visibly ensure that the cylinder is completely empty and that there are no prohibited items inside.
  • Firearms must be encased in a hard-sided, locked container that is of sufficient strength to withstand normal handling, as follows:
    1. A firearm in a hard-sided, locked container may be placed inside a soft-sided, unlocked suitcase.
    2. A firearm placed inside a hard-sided, locked suitcase does not have to be encased in a container manufactured for the transportation of firearms.
    3. The locked container or suitcase must completely secure the firearm from access. Cases or suitcases that can be pulled open with minimal effort do not meet the locked criterion.
    4. The Customer checking the luggage should retain the key or combination to the lock, and may use any brand or type of lock to secure the firearm case (including TSA-recognized locks).
  • Firearms may be checked and will count toward the two-piece free baggage allowance for each fare-paying passenger. We allow multiple firearms to be transported inside one hard-sided case.
  • Southwest Airlines assumes no liability for the misalignment of sights on firearms, including those equipped with telescopic sights.
  • Firearms are never allowed in carryon luggage.
Ammunition

  • Small arms ammunition for personal use (provided it is properly packed) is permissible in checked baggage only.
  • The ammunition may be placed in the same container as the firearm and must be securely packed in cardboard (fiber), wood, or metal boxes, or other packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.
  • When checking ammunition, Customers are limited to 11 pounds gross weight (ammunition plus container) per person.
  • Magazines or clips containing ammunition must be securely packaged (placed in another small box or in a secure cutout in the carrying case, in order to protect the primer of the ammunition).
  • Make sure guns are unloaded and definitely never transport a gun in your carryon baggage!
  • Gunpowder (black powder) and primers or percussion caps are not allowed in checked or carryon baggage.
  • Loose ammunition or loose loaded magazines and/or clips are not allowed.
  • Paintballs must be packaged in a leak-proof container and will be subject to limited release.

 
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The TSA vs non-TSA lock debate always arises in these threads. The rules state either or, as long as it's locked. Personally I never use TSA locks, they can be opened with a paperclip or chopped off with a strong hand and a good pair of sidecutters. For U.S. trips, I ship ammo UPS a month in advance. Scoped rifles go in an SKB case with two master locks, same key. Out of the country, same setup but ammo in a separate case 5 kilos/11 lbs. Having said all that, it's best to check with your airline. Their rules vary when it comes to the number of guns they'll carry per paying passenger. Most allow 50 lbs. for a gun case and I pack as much stuff in mine to get it to that weight. If one is concerned with theft or the possibility of not making the trip, consider trip/travel insurance. Some will cover lost or stolen firearms.
 
flying with firearms is not that big of a deal as long as you follow the airline and TSA guidelines, BUT the extra bag charges can get very expensive quick, dont take any more than you really need
 
If it’s an option, fly on Southwest Airlines. Their fares are generally among the lowest, and ticket prices include 2 checked bags up to 50# each. I’ve flown on SW many times with rifles, and they have always been friendly and professional.
 
If it’s an option, fly on Southwest Airlines.

Always. My home airport is a big terminal for Southwest Airlines so it's easy for me but I've been changing my choices of competitions or airports I fly into based on using SA. Sometimes I can just rent a car and drive a little further or I choose another competition somewhere that SA services. Southwest does not allow baggage to just sit in the baggage claim area either, they pick it up and take it to their baggage office near the claim area.
 
Fellas i can’t thank you enough. Great info and i believe we are flying American Airlines. I will look up their info and when time comes have my stuff together with the printed info in hand. My friend has done this trip many times for the last 15 yrs or so and he should be well versed but when i asked him a few questions he really wasn’t sure so i figured i would ask here. As far as driving - just too dang far and would spend most of time off in the car. Flying gives us 3 extra days for shooting. Again thanks
 
Here’s my setup and my buddies. I hadn’t gotten my second stock when this photo was take. But obviously the case on the left now has my second stock in it.

And no, I wouldn’t dare use a TSA lock. I have the highest grade, most expensive padlock that’ll fit on there. I keep one key on me plus one in my range bag and my wife has the extras so she can overnight one to me if all else fails.
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XTR they are going to WY-- not south af... it would be 2 days if u drive slow & u can see some of this great country. better look now it might not be great much longer---------
 
That’s no lie - i stopped watching the news and i told my bride that when i get out there - if the people are nice and normal and land is cheap . Told her we gonna buy couple 100 acres and move. If it were not for the winters i could see it happening. At least for the 8 months of the year that are not bitter out there. I am tore up about the trip and never been prairie dog shooting. I’m not going to burn out a barrel Or make a 600 yard shot but maybe next year. I’m only taking 17 hmr and maybe a 223 - 2 rifles. Really just going to see what it’s like and to see a little splatter if the wind will lay long enough. My buddy has a couple families that he’s been visiting every year for long time and they are good folks. I appreciate the info
 
One more piece of advice, in the airline rules and regs, it states the gun case is to be limited to 62” linear. Length + width + height. I’ve never seen them enforce the rule, which I think is added $, when I travel with a gun I have a take down size case that meets these requirements. Added bonus is it doesn’t look like a gun case. To fit the case I just unscrew the barrel
 

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