Naked vs. Moly--Vote Now!

[Forum Boss]

A new Readers' Poll is up, and you can voice your opinion on the great Moly vs. Naked bullet debate. We've included some responses for those who prefer Danzac,Tungsten disulphide) to moly.

It will be interesting to see how this one turns out.

Moly is in the lead right now... so you naked fans better vote!

Link: www.6mmBR.com/polls.html

 

[jb1000br]

guess im the only one in category "c" right now

JB :thumb:

 

[AlNyhus]

Remember: Friends don't let friends drive dr...hold it...that's another deal, right?

Actually, it's: Friends don't let friends shoot moly. Or DanZac. :lol:

Just kidding. Well, not really...... -Al

 

[Rust]

Al - I hate to say it but Moly has made a large difference in a couple of rifles, a large positive difference.

First up was a 22-250 with a Douglas double button air gauge barrel. It was quite accurate but given everything that went into it I felt it should have been a bit better. Turns out it really likes the moly V Max in 50 or 55 gr and a bit of RL-15. It tightened up the groups and made them rounder. In my experience a round group is a better group.

Then there was the factory Remington .223. Disappointing. I used it as a load developement experiment and tried over 750 individual loads in the course of shooting out the barrel. Moly cut the group sizes in half.

The biggest laugh was the .338 RUM. It shot well considering what it was but out of curiousity it got the moly treatment too. The improvement was impressive.

I had a Savage in .308 and moly didn't do anything at all for it. Shot exactly the same.

Now my 6.5 X 284 has not seem moly so far and it won't see moly. Out of the gate it displayed very very near actual bench rest accuracy. I'm talking PPC accuracy with 140 gr SMKs which were used for barrel break in. Not a long range match load though unfortunatley, the ES/SD were not quite good enough. I decided not to experiment there as .2s with an occasional foray into the .1s was plenty good. Won't quite do that with the 142s and 139s though, it runs .2s and .3s there.

Funny thing, in the barrels I do use moly in, I do not see the drop in velocity usually reported when switching to moly. The factory barrels are of course throated pretty long and the bullets are not in the lands, and the 22-25o was throated long too,a mistake by my smith). Maybe that has something to do with it, maybe not.

One thing for sure, barrel care and barrel prep is a big deal with me. The barrels are well cleaned after a session and they are pre-coated with moly prior to the first shot. I had discussed moly with a VERY knowledgable shooter who had done a lot of work with it and he explained the whys and wherefores to me in detail. He also stated that the short pills with a relatively short bearing surface in a short range bench rest rifle might not react the same as a long range rifle with the long VLDs. By way of example I'll just point out Perry was won again using the moly coated 115 DTAC moly coated bullets.

The other thing I'll point out is that my experience is in no way a representative sample of all rifles. The other thing worth noting is that the switch to moly only came after I had exhausted everything else and I figured what would it hurt to try.

Some bullets I buy pre-coated and some I coat myself. When coating cleanliness is everything, the containers were washed several times to remove any mold relese agent and the bullets are washed twice and then get rinsed in distilled water and acetone. They are never touched by hand during the process. The only time they are touched is when seating them. I am also very careful when chamfering the case mouths to leave a very smooth surface that will not scratch the coating. In order to make it worth the time and effort I do pretty large batches of bullets.

Do I think moly is THE answer, no. Do I think moly is AN answer, in certain situations, yes.

 

[AlNyhus]

Rust, my reply was 'tougue in cheek'. Quite a few of my BR shooting compadres use moly and DanZac,tungsten disulfide) and do very well. You're right that coated bullets can be a help in certain situations. -Al

 

[Rust]

Al - Don't worry, it wasn't aimed at you. just a general soapbox sort of thing.

I just have to wonder sometimes just how some folks manage to get such completely negative results.

I do have a couple of new barrels on the way and one of them will be used to experiment with moly. Given the past results I don't think I'll be disappointed.

 

[rhino]

I like moly! I would rather shoot than clean. I don't have to clean very much and when I do I brush a few strokes with Montana extreme brush, dry patch and then plug and use wipe-out.

I then use the moly bore prep and a couple of shots bingo back into business.

I also like getting my hands all blue Accucracy I don't see any ill effects like some mentioned. My rifle still has the ability to clean a 1k target.

RHINOUT!

 

[mikecr]

Should stop calling Tungsten "DanZac". There is currently no such brand name, and thats simply not what tungsten disulphide is. We don't say our bullets are "MS Moly" or "KG" coated. It's "moly" regardless of existing or non-existing brands.
A similar name for Tungsten is "WS2", and to me that is it's appropriate calling.

Just a thought.

 

[usma89]

I like moly. My rifles seem to hold groups longer, the group size does not change.
I do not like cleaning moly. I clean after every shooting, I feel that moly attracts water.

 

[RickB]

It would be interesting to hear from the people who moly coat their own bullets whether they also use wax or not and why.