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My first FTF, no worries, culprit identified.

mills braswell

I loaded 20 rounds for my nephew to try. .223 rem, 77gr. Sierra hpbtm, once fired range brass, all Hornady headstamped, all CCI450 primers. On his 4th shot a ftf. So I brought the round back to diagnose. The primer had a dimple from the firing pin that looked like all the rest, but for some reason it looked like it was seated deeper, well below flush, and I thought maybe a primer pocket too deep from manufacture would be the culprit. The primer pocket measured the same as some lapua brass I had to compare. Next, I thought maybe the cup of the primer was out of spec, but it measured like other unfired primer cups. Then I removed the anvil, then the paper backing, and there was no flash compound under the paper disk. Has anyone else had any issues with CCI450 primers? Should I trust the rest of these primers? lot # D29D201

Sorry, no pics, no smart phone. I'll log back on later and look for any responses.

It just sickens me to have to wait so long for availability, and spend so much, to have an issue so quick, on a brick of primers. I just wonder if there are more of them in that brick and my gut feeling is that there very well could be. Maybe I should call CCI? If I did call them, what should I expect? TIA.
 
It happens to all of us.

Had some CCI's and Remington's that maybe 1 or 2 out of box that would not fire. Good pin hit on it but no BANG for the buck.

The way I look at it is I still have 999 primers to go that might go bang.

Now if your life depended on it going off then I would really be concerned.
 
mills braswell said:
I loaded 20 rounds for my nephew to try. .223 rem, 77gr. Sierra hpbtm, once fired range brass, all Hornady headstamped, all CCI450 primers. On his 4th shot a ftf. So I brought the round back to diagnose. The primer had a dimple from the firing pin that looked like all the rest, but for some reason it looked like it was seated deeper, well below flush, and I thought maybe a primer pocket too deep from manufacture would be the culprit. The primer pocket measured the same as some lapua brass I had to compare. Next, I thought maybe the cup of the primer was out of spec, but it measured like other unfired primer cups. Then I removed the anvil, then the paper backing, and there was no flash compound under the paper disk. Has anyone else had any issues with CCI450 primers? Should I trust the rest of these primers? lot # D29D201

Sorry, no pics, no smart phone. I'll log back on later and look for any responses.

It just sickens me to have to wait so long for availability, and spend so much, to have an issue so quick, on a brick of primers. I just wonder if there are more of them in that brick and my gut feeling is that there very well could be. Maybe I should call CCI? If I did call them, what should I expect? TIA.
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My guess is QC has gone the way of the dodo bird...
"No child left behind" strikes again!
 
I take it ftf is fail to fire. Ive had several cci primers snap. Lucky I was always shooting off the bench. Never had a federal snap. Some of them were old, I laid it on to that. Sounds like these were new.Its hard to get it to go off without primer mix. Doug
 
Thanks for all the input everyone. The vibe I am getting is that there is no need to call CCI, at least I know it's not an issue with my nephews gun, maybe I should wait and get some Winchester SRM primers for these 77 gr projos and just use the CCI's for plinker loads.
 
mills braswell said:
Thanks for all the input everyone. The vibe I am getting is that there is no need to call CCI, at least I know it's not an issue with my nephews gun, maybe I should wait and get some Winchester SRM primers for these 77 gr projos and just use the CCI's for plinker loads.
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Note that Win. primers have a thinner cup and won't handle as much pressure without piercing, at least as of a couple of years ago.
 
mills braswell said:
I loaded 20 rounds for my nephew to try. .223 rem, 77gr. Sierra hpbtm, once fired range brass, all Hornady headstamped, all CCI450 primers. On his 4th shot a ftf. So I brought the round back to diagnose. The primer had a dimple from the firing pin that looked like all the rest, but for some reason it looked like it was seated deeper, well below flush, and I thought maybe a primer pocket too deep from manufacture would be the culprit. The primer pocket measured the same as some lapua brass I had to compare. Next, I thought maybe the cup of the primer was out of spec, but it measured like other unfired primer cups. Then I removed the anvil, then the paper backing, and there was no flash compound under the paper disk. Has anyone else had any issues with CCI450 primers? Should I trust the rest of these primers? lot # D29D201

Sorry, no pics, no smart phone. I'll log back on later and look for any responses.

It just sickens me to have to wait so long for availability, and spend so much, to have an issue so quick, on a brick of primers. I just wonder if there are more of them in that brick and my gut feeling is that there very well could be. Maybe I should call CCI? If I did call them, what should I expect? TIA.
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I had a couple dimple, but not fire. I didn't do a post mortem on the case though.
 
Had a Federal 210M ftf last year. Came from same case of primers I've been using for a few years. Actually tried it again still no bang. Haven't taken it apart yet but still have that round with the other 49 from that reloading session. I suspected after it wouldn't fire after 2nd attept it had no compound in it. One in 5000. Hope there are no more. It happens.
 
I identified the culprit as well. I recently had a 6.5x47 do nothing at the range, out of 5x3 loads. Just click and nothing. Went home, pulled it down to push out the defective primer and was reminded why I (usually) visual my charged cases before seating their bullets. Bullet didn't budge one iota from just the Rem 7.5 primer. Doh! Haste doesn't belong on the loading bench. o_O
 
I had one today while fireforming some Lapua 6.5x55. the primer was some Tula that I have and just getting rid of them. After measuring the fired case, base to shoulder, against a new unfired case, there was a .006" difference. The bullet was jammed .005". Maybe it was just a short case. I haven't pulled the round apart yet.
update
tore it apart and took out the primer. Took that apart. The priming compound was there but was yellowish like it tried to light off.. A new primer compound is somewhat purple. I guess I didn't do a good job of seating
 
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spudgun said:
It happens to all of us.

Had some CCI's and Remington's that maybe 1 or 2 out of box that would not fire. Good pin hit on it but no BANG for the buck.

The way I look at it is I still have 999 primers to go that might go bang.

Now if your life depended on it going off then I would really be concerned.
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That is why it is a good idea to practice clearing malfunctions when at the range, especially with handguns.
 
Unless your life depends on it, don't worry about it. In my years of shooting (59), I have had only 3 failure to fire. Two on the range and one while hunting. Not a big deal my friend.
 
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