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Monolithic bullet review

Hengehold

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Does anyone have any long-term experience with Monolithic bullets? By long-term I mean 1000+ rds down range. Better yet, have you shot out a barrel with them. Some questions I have are:

1. Is there a noticeable difference in barrel wear between conventional lead core bullets and monolithic bullets?

2. The BCs listed with monolithic bullet makers such as Warner Tool are very impressive. Can anyone verify that these BCs are accurate?

3. Do the monolithic bullets group as well and as consistently as conventional lead core bullets?

4. Are there any adverse effects not mentioned above from using monolithic bullets, rather than conventional lead core bullets? For example, excessive copper fouling, etc.

Thanks,

-Trevor
 
You do realize that some guns will shoot well with monolithic bullets and some, like my 3006, will not tolerate them at all, right?
You should expect to get a wide range of answers to this one.
 
Typically, if you go back and forth between jacketed and monolithic, it's been known to throw accuracy off and copper foul much quicker (if not cleaned between switching).

Not all monolithic bullets are created equal either, the alloy and hardness can vary between makers.
 
Monolithic bullets typically have a couple features that require special considerations as compared to conventional lead core jacketed bullets. First, they are typically made from some type of gilding metal, which is not as dense as lead. For that reason, they tend to be much longer for a given weight class and may require significantly faster barrel twist rates in order to properly stabilize them. Second, the relatively long ogives may also necessitate rigorous seating depth testing in order to determine exactly where they need to be seated in order to group optimally. Typically, these issues mean you may need a fairly fast twist barrel for the bullet weight class and a long throat to seat them optimally. Depending on the rifle setup, it may be necessary to specifically optimize barrel twist and throating to obtain good performance from the monolithics because not all rifles, even competition rifles, will set up optimally for these bullets.

I happened to have a 9-twist .308 barrel with a low round count that was originally set up specifically for a monolithic bullet that was not in use because the manufacturer stopped making that particular bullet a while ago. So I replaced the barrel with a more suitable barrel/chamber for the conventional bullets I have been using. I recently spun that barrel back on and tested a monolithic bullet and the precision in my hands was simply not there. The velocity data were outstanding, but the groups were literally 2-3 MOA at 100 yd. In fact, it was somewhat like shooting a precision shotgun. I have reason to believe the bullets were actually wobbling or "balloting" in the bore due to a combination of the relatively short bearing surface and the seating depths I was using. In fairness, I suspect I could have markedly improved the precision with more rigorous and thorough seating depth testing; I'd guess this particular bullet probably needed to be seated into the lands to facilitate straighter entry into the bore upon ignition. Unfortunately, if you have to test a excessively large number of rounds during load development, the cost of monolithic bullets can be sometimes pretty steep, even by my standards. I needed to put the other barrel back on that rifle for competition purposes, so I have not yet finished the seating depth testing, but I do intend to get back to it at some point and I have just enough bullets remaining for that purpose.

My overall take is that if you can get them to group with good precision, you will essentially be getting the BC of the next heavier (longer) class of conventional lead core bullet, but with the higher velocity achievable in the next lighter class of bullets. These characteristics would certainly be highly desirable if you can get reproducible precision. If not, the extra performance isn't worth much. As mentioned above, the other downside is if you decide to have a fast twist barrel cut specifically to shoot a particular monolithic, and the results aren't what you hoped, you've just spent a fair bit of time and effort for little return. My suggestion would be to get the best loading info you can from the manufacturer and/or find someone that has actually gotten good precision with your monolithic of choice and try to reproduce what they have done exactly. Unfortunately, I can't help you out much there as I haven't yet been successful with them.
 
Trevor,

Talk to Alan or Dan Warner. They have a line of monlithic bullets. They are very long. Alan shot some at the Forbes range, just as he was ramping up the marketing of them. A couple of things that I learned from him. You need a much faster twist barrel. You need a longer throat. As mentioned earlier, they are longer, and that is what is driving the above requirements. The bullets Alan was shooting did appear to shoot flatter than a more traditional round. They are also a bit more expensive. Other than Alan, I do not know anyone else using monolithics in competition.

John
 
I shot them years ago in a 338 lapua. Copper and brass mono,s.At 300 for five you could get decent accuracy for a long string not so much.The BC,s are pretty close ,I did a field test out to 800 and the numbers were with in two inches of drop.Speeds were great also, because of the less friction due to the drive bands.But I always felt that accuracy suffered due to such a short bearing surface on a bullet that long for long range.I bought some from a different maker this winter just to fart around but have zero hopes for them.
 
Any monolithic or bore rider will not shoot accurately if it is solely dependent on leade or twist rate, if the bore is oversized.

Slug the bore to proceed or you'll be pissing into the wind!

OP-
Never second guess a model maker(WTC-Alan & Dan Warner) as they've been there & done that.
You can take their BC figures to the bank with you the next time you make a deposit or withdraw!

An engineer/scientist/physicist are educated guesses w/ chicken scratches/figures on paper!
 
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